Nothing to See Here? Guest Post by Dana Tibbitts

This is a little outside standard TSW scope, but in the general “related issues.” The Forest Service was involved in the LA Fires and from what I can see, came out looking good.  Another example:

On to Dana’s guest post. Thanks, Dana!

Dana Tibbitts

California’s long-awaited investigation into the Los Angeles fires reveals a shattered command-and-intelligence system. At the same time, an Israeli military data unit says it was helping construct the operational picture for American responders. That combination raises questions that “mutual aid” alone does not answer.

There is a remarkable contradiction emerging from the official investigation of the January 2025 Los Angeles fires.

California has now documented a response system plagued by fractured command, delayed evacuations, conflicting maps, missed intelligence and profound failures of situational awareness. Critical information from people on the ground failed to reach incident commanders. Agencies operated independently. Satellite intelligence existed but apparently was not effectively incorporated into the response. In western Altadena, commanders did not fully understand what the fire had done until daylight—after much of the community had already burned.

Yet during the same extended wildfire emergency, an Israeli military data unit says it was helping American responders build precisely what California’s own system was struggling to maintain: a coherent operational picture.

That may not make the Israeli assistance improper.

But neither does the phrase “mutual aid” answer the questions it raises.

International mutual aid is commonplace. Firefighters cross borders. Nations exchange aircraft, personnel, equipment and technical expertise during disasters. Such assistance can be entirely appropriate and lifesaving.

But there is a meaningful difference between bringing additional firefighting capacity into an established American command structure and a foreign military data command processing disaster information overseas, constructing an operational portal for American forces and producing assessments described as supporting “strategic decision-making.”

The newly released investigation has made one thing painfully clear: during these fires, the operational picture mattered enormously—and in critical moments, California did not have one.

The 724-page independent investigation commissioned by Governor Gavin Newsom identified failures across interconnected systems of incident management, evacuation coordination, situational awareness, operational intelligence, communications and resource accountability. The operational picture remained confused and elusive well into the fires themselves.

The picture was no better in Pacific Palisades. The Los Angeles Fire Department, Los Angeles Police Department, and other agencies did not function as a seamless unified command. Police and fire officials discovered they were working from different evacuation maps.

County firefighters, frustrated by what the report called the inadequacy of the command organization, began operating independently. As many as 26 units reportedly deployed without incident command knowing where they were. The investigation describes “credibility issues,” lack of trust, and an institutional disconnect between command staff and the people actually working on the ground.

Then comes one of the most consequential findings of all. As winds grounded the aircraft normally used as eyes in the sky, fire officials failed to make effective use of satellite intelligence that was already available.

FireGuard products showed the Eaton Fire beginning to move west hours before commanders understood what was happening. Yet, with one exception, responders interviewed for the investigation did not identify those satellite products among the intelligence tools they had used. By the time incident command fully recognized that the fire had swept into western Altadena, daylight had arrived and much of the community had already burned.

And here the phrase becomes more than metaphor: while California slept, an Israeli military data unit was subsequently working through American nighttime hours to help construct the operational picture responders would wake up to.

Information existed but did not move. Responders on the ground knew things commanders did not know. Agencies were working from different maps. Units were moving outside command. Satellite imagery existed but apparently was not being incorporated effectively into the operational picture. Incident commanders were, in some cases, literally in the dark.

So where, precisely, did the Israeli military data operation fit into this fractured system?

Israeli reporting described a specialized unit inside the Israel Defense Forces Home Front Command working from Israel during American nighttime hours, processing information and preparing assessments for American responders.

According to Israel Hayom, the unit developed a “specialized daily portal for all American forces in the field,” combining wildfire locations, infrastructure, schools, power systems and other information into a common operating picture. Israeli officials said that information enabled “strategic decision-making.” Lt. Col. Yosef Salem described a two-part structure in which personnel on the ground identified needs while a command-center team thousands of miles away processed information and developed solutions.

And then came the detail that should still stop us in our tracks: the system required only “a single ground contact.”

Who was that ground contact?

Who authorized the connection between the Israeli military data operation and the California wildfire response? What information moved through that connection—and between which agencies? And when Israeli officials say their products enabled “strategic decision-making,” what decisions did they help shape?

These are not accusations. They are basic questions of command, authority, data access, and accountability.

They become more consequential when viewed alongside the satellite issue. California’s investigation found that potentially valuable American satellite products were not being effectively incorporated into the Eaton response. Yet CAL FIRE Staff Chief David Scheurich later told the Times of Israel that Israeli responders had “real-time live satellite imaging” while their American counterparts often had to go through a request process. CAL FIRE was impressed enough to consider incorporating Israeli mapping methods.

The question, then, is not simply why Israel had satellite intelligence that America did not. America already had sophisticated wildfire intelligence of its own. The sharper question is why existing American intelligence was apparently failing to reach or inform incident command while an Israeli military data unit was simultaneously being praised for helping construct an effective operational picture.

Was Israel simply organizing information that California already had but could not effectively integrate? That is entirely possible. Was the Israeli team helping overcome bureaucratic barriers that had prevented critical intelligence from reaching incident commanders? Perhaps. If so, that may have been valuable mutual aid.

But if that is what happened, it reveals something astonishing about the weakness of the American system.

During one of the deadliest and most destructive wildfire disasters in California history, the state’s own investigation now shows that critical information was not reaching the people who needed it. At the same time, an overseas military data unit says it was building an operational portal for American forces and producing assessments intended to support strategic decision-making.

That distinction is the issue. Mutual aid may explain why foreign specialists were here. It does not, by itself, explain the authority, access or role of a foreign military command operating inside the information stream of an American disaster.

And because it is not the same thing, it requires a different level of transparency.

The issue ultimately comes down to control of the operational picture—who builds it, who has access to it, and how intelligence becomes action. During an American disaster, who exercises that authority?

The newest Los Angeles fire investigation is, above all, a story about what can happen when information does not reach command. Lives were lost while reports from the ground failed to move, evacuation orders lagged, agencies worked in parallel, and satellite intelligence sat largely outside the decision loop.

If the Israeli operation was entirely routine, properly authorized, and appropriately governed, then transparency should make that easy to establish. Tell Californians what entered the portal, what came back out, who received those products, and where they sat within the Incident Command System.

What makes the silence in California more striking is how openly Israel told the story. The involvement received considerably more attention there than it did here.

Israel Hayom did not bury the role beneath the language of routine mutual aid. Its headline proclaimed: “How the IDF helped save LA from wildfires.” The article described young IDF soldiers working from the Home Front Command headquarters, using the time difference to prepare American teams for the morning, and characterized their data analysis as instrumental in saving lives and protecting property. Israel was not hiding its involvement. Quite the contrary. It was celebrating it.

That leaves California with a remarkably simple problem. If an Israeli military command helped “save LA from wildfires,” as Israeli reporting proudly declared, Californians are entitled to know exactly what that means.

Israel was willing to tell the world what its military command accomplished in Los Angeles. California should be equally willing to tell its citizens exactly what role that command was given.

Mutual aid may explain why they came. It does not explain who let them into the operational loop—or how deep that authorization goes.

 

Source notes:

Israel Hayom — “How the IDF Helped Save LA From Wildfires.” Describes the IDF Home Front Command data unit working during American nighttime hours, preparing assessments for U.S. responders, developing a “specialized daily portal for all American forces in the field,” and supplying information described as enabling “strategic decision-making.” The account also describes the need for a “single ground contact.”

The Times of Israel — coverage of the Israeli wildfire delegation in California. Reports on the six-person Israeli delegation and quotes CAL FIRE Staff Chief David Scheurich describing Israeli responders’ access to real-time satellite imagery, contrasted with the request process often required by American responders, as well as CAL FIRE’s interest in elements of the Israeli mapping approach.

 

 

Shirley Basin Black-footed Ferrets Doing Well and Dispersing: Wyofile

A wild non-reproducing female ferret kit awaits processing by Wyoming biologists after being captured in her Shirley Basin habitat on Sept. 30, 2025. (Mike Koshmrl/WyoFile)

We’ve been a little short on wildlife-related news lately, but fortunately Wyofile reporter Mike Koshmrl wrote an extensive piece on the recovery of black-footed ferrets in the Shirley Basin.  There’s also an interesting comparison of conditions there compared to the population Forest Service folks might be more familiar with in the Conata Basin/Badlands National Park.

Although seeing a black-footed ferret anywhere is a great rarity — they were once presumed extinct — the Shirley Basin is about the best place in the world to do it. Ferrets in this ecologically rich complex of state, private and federal land southwest of the Laramie Mountains have lasted longer than any other subpopulation on Earth and they’ve fared well enough that they are even fanning out on their own unassisted.

Wyoming wildlife managers have found pockets of ferrets near Carbon County’s Chalk Mountain and Bone Creek, a drainage northeast of Medicine Bow, where they were never reintroduced, Gygli said. And they’ve also started to detect more dispersers west of Highway 77 south of Casper.

“That’s the other spot we’ve been trying to turn into a population source,” Gygli said. “Every year we find more kits. I’m really excited about that.”

In April 2023, Gygli even learned of a road-killed ferret hit on the highway near Centennial in the eastern foothills of the Snowy Range Mountains. It was an otherwise healthy male.

“Other than the roadkill, it was in very good shape,” Gygli said. “This was a portly ferret doing very well for himself.”

The farthest dispersing black-footed ferret ever documented in Wyoming traveled over 25 straight-line miles, even crossing Interstate 80. The animal was found road-killed on the Highway 130 in the southern Laramie Plains. (Andy Gygli/Wyoming Game and Fish Department)

There’s also a great deal in the piece about plague and efforts to combat it, in both the prairie dog and ferret populations. And how and when mammals (as well as insects, reptiles, amphibians, birds, plants and so on) is always interesting and many times surprising.  And some great photos!

Update For Retirees: Forest Service No Longer Uses “Charge as Worked”

I wanted to double back and let retirees to catch up… Dale pointed out in a comment that  the FS doesn’t use “charge as worked” either.

I keep seeing reference to “charge as worked” in this and other recent posts. I don’t know about BLM and other DOI agencies, but the USFS essentially dropped project or resource job codes five or more years ago. When that change happened and before retiring from FS less than 2 years ago, basically all non-fire employees (including timber) charged their time to one job code – NFSE (the SE was for “salary and expenditures”). Funding for equipment and to pay for contracts still may have used resource specific job codes, but that was very minimal for shops like wildlife. For example, as a wildlife biologist (or for other resource specialists) I no longer was given or had to track multiple job codes from timber, fuels, lands, recreation, special use/permits, etc. for project support/NEPA analysis work and how many hours I charged to each. All my time was charged to NFSE on my timesheet (with minor exceptions), no matter what projects I worked on. Another huge funding bucket for a time anyway were special job codes from the “Wildfire Crisis” money bucket. Fire folks may have had a different code, and I think there still may have been timber budget line items to track payment to contractors for timber contracts, for example, or special codes for external project proponents. This greatly simplified everyone’s timesheets and resulted in every permanent full-time employee having 261 days of funding at the start of the fiscal year, versus the annual paper funding chase of permanent full-time (PFT) employees not being “fully funded” because line officers and supervisors would not ensure that the mix of job codes would add up to or fully fund PFT employees at fiscal year start.

I mention this also because it seems, even though the USWFS Chief seems to be saying above (and others have said the same thing in other TSW posts) that fuels planners under a USWFS model would not change chairs or locations for working on NEPA approvals with agency interdisciplinary teams. But if they are essentially part of another organization (USWFS) versus BLM (or USFS if they are merged in to a USWFS at some point), they would be in a different org and chain of command, funding requests and time requests would need to be made and approved between the 2 orgs, etc. creating unnecessary inefficiencies it would seem to me.

It sounds like the FS can’t report to Congress by program code? I don’t think we want feds to bill their time in 15 minute segments, but maybe there is an explainer out there for how the budget is tracked? Some of us are interested in reforestation, and others recreation, and so on. Not to speak of tracking via grantees’ work.  We must be missing something in reporting and accountability.

I think Dale raises an interesting point about two organizations coordinating time.  Like I have said, there’s probably someone in the bowels of the Interior building who has all the details figured out.  But this goes back to Service First.. they managed to have BLM and USDA fund the same people. And they seemed to think  it worked better, because they jointly were able to afford specialists that they couldn’t afford separately (if I recall correctly). Even when I began my career, we had area specialists and our workplans were coordinated among our four forests.  The Supes negotiated it- it didn’t seem like it was a big deal, except competition for the Area Ecologists’ time required some horsetrading.

THW Interview with Fennessey. IV. Why Interior and the FS May Have a “Culture of No”

 

Oops. The last post (comms problems) was number III of  discussing the Fennessey interview, and this one is actually IV, and the final one in the series.

I said, well, in many cases, and I’ll just speak about the DOI, it’s a culture of no, you know? And when you ask, well, why not? It’s like we have no money. And that’s not true. That’s not true. It’s all about priorities. And I think when you go through a career, maybe for decades, where the answer is always no, why would I surface any new idea? Why would I step forward and do anything? All they’re going to do is say no, and they’re going to say there’s no money for it. That’s not true.

When I moved from Region 6 to Region 5, I noticed that the Forest Service trucks were dirty where I was.  When I asked why, they said “we don’t have the money”, implying that Region 6 could have clean trucks because they had more money.  So as Fennessey points out, even in my own non-fire experience, culture is a thing. But back to the “culture of no.”

I’d add something, again, from my experience.  It’s not just a “culture of no” but at least these three things (and you can add your own).  First, so many people all have to agree to change anything important.  I think of it as a long line of toggle switches that all need to be switched on. Only one “off” means that your idea goes nowhere.  And with the large centralized shops (say IT or HR) you don’t have the human relationships with the folks working there to give them the encouragement to broach a new idea with their superiors.

Second is a culture (this is FS, I don’t know about Interior) in which trying to make things better can be seen as complaining.  And complaining about things that can’t be changed (see 1 above) is bad for morale.  I used to say (back to the fleet analogy,) that the culture was if you complain about the tire pressure, you might be put in charge of fleet management.  So there was a grumbling aspect (not good for teams) plus a “you point it out, you fix it” aspect.

Third is the existence of “antibodies to change.” If you managed to get past 1 and 2,  there is a tendency to go back to the way it was, and again, it only takes one person higher up to squash your innovation.

My example has to do with Service First on the San Juan Public Lands Center.  As I recall, the Forest Service and BLM there used dual delegation of the Forest Supe and Deputy (Mark Stiles and Bill Dunkelberger). At one time, we were going to do a joint RMP/Forest Plan (this was finalized in 2013) , and we did do a joint review of the unit between BLM and the FS (I was one of the co-leads, hence my knowledge).   As part of the review, we spoke with many members of the public, who were all enthusiastic.  And things were going along swimmingly, or so it seemed.  One day, as far as I know, they received a phone call from a higher up who said “stop.”  I don’t know why, maybe they do, or maybe the people who decided do.  What leader would want to put people through the excitement of doing something grand for the land, the people, and the taxpayer, only to have everyone’s hopes crushed by apparently random decisions of  higher-ups? Which may have been rooted in power or control issues, who knows?

One side note to all this. Through many parts of Colorado, BLM and FS land is adjacent.  And yet, the BLM did various assessments that sounded the same as FS assessments of the same thing.  Why couldn’t they a joint assessment using the same variables measured the same way? Wouldn’t it be interesting to have a joint Interior/FS team nationally that looked at “things we could do together and save bucks?” Plenty of that goes on locally, but does anyone look at that more broadly?

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Circling back to the wildland fire organization, in this THW interview with Dan Kleinman, Kleinman notes that there was an experiment with siloed wildfire people in the FS, which gradually changed back. Apparently the antibodies were at work again, or maybe there is a document somewhere that says it was an experiment that didn’t work? Kleinman is the Chair of the Alliance of Retired Forest Service Fire Leaders. I couldn’t find their website, but here is info about them from THW.

 

THW Interview with Chief Brian Fennessey: II. Comms, Why is This (Still) a Problem? And a Draft Letter to the Trump Admin

And I didn’t know this until early on, but there’s a DOI system in each one of them and there’s a Forest Service system in each one of them. And they don’t talk to each other. And it’s like, are you kidding me? How long has this gone?
Oh, this has gone on for decades. And, you know, we’re still working off a copper wire in some of this stuff. I mean, we are decades behind when it comes to IT infrastructure, what your local fire department would have. I mean, if the local fire department in San Diego or Boise or Orange County, you name the place,
if they had the same systems that the feds are operating under, people would be outraged. It’s not uncommon for systems to fail. What do we do as firefighters? Oh, we figure out how to work around. Right? And pretty soon we do that enough and that just becomes our norm.
Do we want to invest in two systems or do we want to invest in one system?
Well, my thought would be that (bear with me, now, I know this is really out there) that two departments could use the same system! Not that I’m arguing either way, but just because it’s always been done that way, doesn’t mean it always has to be that way.  Imagine the two Secretaries sitting down with their heads of IT. “Look,” they say “this is ridiculous; you get your heads together and figure something out that works. If there’s a reason you can’t, bring it to us immediately. You have until next fire season.”
The Hotshot Wakeup also went through some of the comms related issues that happened this year. From the transcript of that podcast.:
In my previous episode with the Director of the United States Wildland Fire Service, Brian Fennessy, one of our conversations that we had was about the dispatch system across the United States. And I had a couple people reach out and say, hey, what does that mean though? What’s going on with that? You guys say it’s aged and decrepit.
How does that affect operations? I’ve covered it a few times on the show, going through some reports that have kind of displayed some examples of what exactly that means. And so just quickly, I pulled up, what do we have? One, two, three, four, five different reports. Safety reports that were issued in the last month.
So this is all within the last 30 days from dispatches around the nation talking about the issues that they’re having and just kind of paints a better picture. Of what the dispatch centers are dealing with. And some of these I’ve talked about before, but I’ll give a more concise, clear picture of what they’re dealing with here.
The first one and the most recent comes out of California. And I believe it’s where we at. Yeah, the San Bernardino operating area. And they’re discussing the… Dispatch Center there. It says, on August 26, I was working at the fire lab in Riverside, California. I received notification that the Forest Service Supervisor’s Office
in San Bernardino was operating on generator power since October of 2025. And I’ve discussed this incident before. They’ve been off-grid. It says they then had experienced a catastrophic generator failure and they were running on generator power at this center. It says as a result, both the Forest Service and
the United States Wildland Fire Service dispatch centers activated their continuity of operations plan, relying on a much smaller generator to maintain essential radio communications. So major dispatch center and operating center. Relying on a pull start generator, it seems like, because their main generator looks like failed. It says since they switched to that smaller generator, they’ve seen minor failures and intermittent outages across multiple radio channels. Persistent concerns about reliability of the planned generator, with the possibility of its failure looming, ongoing operational risks for dispatch centers which depend on uninterrupted radio communications to coordinate fire and law enforcement personnel. It goes on to say this issue has persisted for over a year.
We’re seeing minimal progress. And they say, hey, there’s personnel safety issues, saying the reliability of radio communications is critical for the safety of fire and law enforcement personnel. A catastrophic generator failure could force the dispatch center to shut down. Operational continuity. Warning that if the other generator goes out, they will have a complete and total communication blackout.
And then talks about leadership response and saying, hey, this has been going on for a year. What the hell’s going on to try to fix this thing? It says the ongoing generator. Generator and radio equipment failures represent a serious hazard to personnel and operations, saying that a Bureau of Land Management generator is currently running to keep essential radios and functions for dispatch to remain operational. So that’s one example to kind of give you a heads up. That was in California.
The next one out of Wyoming, it says on August 21st, the Cody Interagency Dispatch Center phones and radios became non-functional after
the staff in the dispatch center worked quickly to get their computers connected to some sort of Wi-Fi to connect to the WildCAD functionality system. At 10 o’clock, a text message was sent via that system to the Cody resources to inform them the phones and radios were down and cell phone numbers were provided to reach expanded dispatch.
And the main dispatch center. Multiple radio checks were tested and the only successful one were on the BLM Copper Mountain repeaters in the Wyoming Link repeater. A Forest Service radio ticket was submitted to see if the issue could be fixed quickly and or remotely. As well as a Department of Interior phone ticket for the main dispatch lines.
We also tried radio tests from the Casper Dispatch Center on the Continuity of Operations computer and were unable to reach field resources with that. The problem is still ongoing. We’ve had multiple smoke checks with a few requesting aircraft and no way of reaching resources. So that one’s Wyoming. As you can see, it’s kind of widespread.
I already talked about this one. This was up in Montana, saying that Missoula Dispatch Center lost all functionality for incoming phone calls on center landlines. This issue is promptly reported as a critical need through the proper channels, but it has been more than 24 hours. Our lines are still not working.
This report I talked about maybe three weeks ago. So I assume this problem has been fixed, but I bring it up again to talk about Some of the questions you had of, hey, what do you mean by our dispatch centers are not working properly?
It goes on to say they were managing multiple incidents when the system failure happened. The next one, Sequoia National Forest out in California, the report, again, I’ve touched on this one, but just to give you an idea, it says, during normal forest operations over the past several weeks, the Sequoia National Forest has experienced a significant decline in radio communication reliability. Although radio technicians have informed us that efforts are ongoing to resolve the communication issues with the Central California Interagency Communication Center, radio performance has not improved to a level that allows Forest Service field personnel to consistently communicate with dispatch. Another one out of Wyoming, this one out of the Casper jurisdiction, it says.
So I wanted to quickly bring that up because there were a couple questions of like, hey, How bad is it? And just off those five little examples there, the people who run these facilities and these dispatch centers say it’s a major, major problem.
For a long time, the technology was not there to fix these things. And yet I doubt our military has the same kinds of comms issues (maybe they do) even working in foreign countries. Yes, I get it, fire folks are absolutely brilliant at work-arounds.  Yet something seems to be broken in the “identifying and fixing problems” systems, and it’s not the identifying part.
This seems to me like a great topic for a reporter to look into more deeply.  And maybe one of our wildland firefighter organizations could get the ball rolling with a press release? “No more” says X, president of Firefighters For Improvement of Working Conditions “this season has shown the dangers to our firefighters.  In this country, leaders in technologies, we believer that there is no reason and we can do better.  We call on the Trump Administration and the federal wildfire agencies to strike now, before next fire season, to fix this so every firefighter has communication access in to a reliable dispatch system with 21st century technology.  Wildland firefighters put their lives on the line and deserve the best that this country can provide!”

The Story Of Two Fires: How America Learned To Import Wildfire Capacity- At What Price? Guest Post by Dana Tibbitts

If you listened to The Hotshot Wakeup Fennessey interview, Fennessey talked about the shortage of what he called “middle managers”:

 I’m trying to approach this thing kind of from a balanced perspective. And I’m told at our first IMT meeting that, no, you know what, Chief? No, there are contract resources available. And the limiting factors is this middle management. Like middle management? Now middle management means something different depending on I know it does in the structural world and it does. I say, well, what do you mean middle management? Well, you know, there’s folks at the task force leader level and they’re describing this, that we, the government, have a gap there. And that, you know, these are the folks that go out with some of the contract crews or whatever to make sure that, you know, they’re complying or that there’s safeties in whatever it may be. And there’s a bunch of resources available, but we don’t have the ability To put middle managers on it. Some of it because we train them and then very quickly they get moved up to strike team leader or some other thing.
I’m like, well, whoa, that’s news to me. So there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of contractors that could be doing this work, but they’re not doing it because we are the limiting factor. You know, fast forward to Washington. Before we got to Washington, again, Chief Fisher and I Meeting with the Army Colonel out of Pentagon, he comes to visit NIFC and myself and Russ Long from the force. Russ is managing that program. Amazing. Russ Long is an amazing individual, great firefighter. Anyways, he introduces folks and they’re getting near the end of their 30-day mission. And he says something to the effect that, you know, If things were to keep on, we probably could come up with another battalion. And I think a battalion is 240. I don’t know. It’s a lot of people. But it doesn’t sound like you guys have the ability. Basically, you talk about middle managers to manage that. And I think we saw weather on the horizon.
So it wasn’t like, but it’s twice now that I’m hearing, wait a minute, there’s a limitation here that I was unaware of. And, you know, I’ve looked at Sarah (Fisher, of the Forest Service)  and she’s looked at me and said, we got to do something about this. I don’t know that it’s, publicly tolerable to be able to say that there are resources available, but we, the government, do not have the qualified people in place to take care of it. Now, I say that, I take a big risk in saying that because, again, I’m somewhat the new guy.
Then I received this guest post from Dana Tibbitts of the National Wildfire Alliance.  I’m not a fire person, but perhaps the Rogue Siskiyou Regional Wildfire Training Center could be part of the solution to the capacity problem?

THE STORY OF TWO FIRES: HOW AMERICA LEARNED TO IMPORT WILDFIRE CAPACITY—AT WHAT PRICE?

We have become remarkably adept at delivering the workforce—and the funding—after the crisis begins. RSR gives us the opportunity to build the solution before the fire comes.

So what are we waiting for?

Little Giant Fire spreads toward cabins, towns in Washington Cascades

THE STORY OF TWO FIRES: HOW AMERICA LEARNED TO IMPORT WILDFIRE CAPACITY—AT WHAT PRICE?

We have become remarkably adept at delivering the workforce—and the funding—after the crisis begins. RSR gives us the opportunity to build the solution before the fire comes.

So what are we waiting for? 

If anyone wants to understand America’s wildfire workforce equation in crisis, look at two fires burning this summer in Washington and Oregon.

Lightning started Washington’s Little Giant Fire July 15 in the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest. By September 17, it had grown to 172,814 acres, one of the largest fires of Washington’s tempestuous 2026 season. Little Giant required an extraordinary mobilization: the National Interagency Fire Center deployed approximately 250 active-duty soldiers from Joint Base Lewis-McChord to support wildfire suppression, with the soldiers moving to Little Giant on August 20.

And Little Giant was only part of the problem. Oregon’s Rowe Creek Complex ultimately reached 373,927 acres. Put the two together and the scale comes into focus: two states, two enormous incidents, 546,741 acres within their fire footprints, and thousands of people mobilized—crews, engines, aircraft, heavy equipment, incident management teams and military personnel. Some are coming from farther and farther away.
Moving the Shortage

This summer the United States requested wildfire assistance from Australia and New Zealand. The first contingent brought 74 fire-management specialists, including a 15-person Incident Management Team. A second wave brought another 240 specialists, for a total of 314 assigned across the Northwest and Great Basin.

These are not bargain-basement firefighters brought in because America can find cheaper labor overseas. They are experienced professionals, and they are coming because America needs their qualifications. Mutual aid is fundamental to wildfire response: a quiet region helps a busy one, states help one another, and America’s international partners help us—as we help them.

That system saves lives. The question is why, year after year, we have to call for reinforcements as though adequate fireline staffing can be delivered on demand.

There is a significant difference between mutual aid providing surge capacity during an extraordinary emergency and a system becoming dependent upon moving scarce qualifications around the country—and eventually around the world—to fill predictable gaps. We have become remarkably adept at moving the shortage. Perhaps it is time we became equally serious about fixing it.

The Real Shortage

Because the shortage isn’t simply firefighters. America does not merely have a firefighter shortage. We have a qualification and command deficit.

Anyone who has spent a career in wildland fire understands the distinction. We can hire seasonal firefighters, buy engines, contract aircraft and deploy sophisticated technology. But none of it substitutes for qualified people who can lead firefighters, supervise equipment, manage divisions, run operations and command complex incidents.

Those people cannot be manufactured during an emergency. A beginning firefighter does not become a crew boss overnight, and a crew boss does not suddenly become a division supervisor, operations chief or incident commander. The profession is built upon qualifications, field experience, mentorship and judgment accumulated over years. When that pipeline becomes too thin, crews cannot deploy without qualified supervision, equipment may lack people qualified to lead it, and technology cannot substitute for command.

A fire engine without a qualified leader is a parked fire engine. In the middle of a wildfire emergency, it might as well be in the boneyard.

Qualifications Travel. Local Knowledge Does Not

There is another part of this equation those who fight wildfire understand instinctively: qualifications travel; local knowledge does not. A firefighter arriving from another state may be superbly qualified. An Australian incident manager may bring decades of experience. But neither arrives carrying intimate knowledge of a Washington drainage network or an Oregon backroad system—the prevailing winds, communications dead zones, escape routes, water sources or peculiarities of a particular piece of Western terrain.

That is not an argument against mutual aid, but a strong case for maintaining a deeper regional bench in the American West.

And that brings us back to Oregon. While America spends astronomical sums delivering wildfire capacity after fires begin, a project designed to build that capacity before the next fire has spent nearly eight years trying to cross the funding finish line.

Build the Bench

The Rogue Siskiyou Regional Wildfire Training Center—RSR—is not simply an Oregon project. It is potentially part of the larger answer to a Western workforce crisis.

RSR has organized as a nonprofit, secured a 31.5-acre former lumber-mill site near Gold Beach, completed environmental and planning work, acquired equipment and generated millions in regional support. At full capacity, it is designed to train approximately 1,600 people annually, building a professional pipeline from entry-level training through crew leadership, supervision, operations, management and ultimately command.

And those people do not belong to Gold Beach. They become part of a much larger Western wildfire workforce. They can fight fire in Oregon, reinforce Washington or deploy elsewhere as national mobilization requires. The point is not to eliminate movement between states; it is to build a deeper reservoir of qualified Western personnel from which the mutual-aid system can draw.

By incorporating hazardous-fuels reduction, forest restoration and other off-season land-management work, RSR offers more than seasonal training. It offers year-round workforce development, accumulated experience and professional advancement—the things required to produce tomorrow’s supervisors, operations leaders and commanders.


And then We Come to the Money

Here is where America’s wildfire workforce equation becomes very difficult to explain.

Rowe Creek ultimately burned 373,927 acres, with its last reported estimated suppression cost reaching approximately $120.7 million—or about $323 per acre.

Then there is Little Giant. As of September 17, the fire had reached 172,814 acres, with estimated suppression costs of approximately $162.7 million—about $941 per acre.

Two fires. 546,741 acres. Approximately $283.4 million spent fighting them.

Now put another number beside that: $37 million.

That is the current estimated capital cost of building the entire RSR facility—a permanent investment with the capacity to train approximately 1,500 wildfire professionals every year, from entry-level firefighters through crew leadership, supervision, operations, management and command.

In other words, the estimated suppression cost of these two fires alone is more than seven and a half times the projected cost of building RSR.

Nobody is suggesting that a training center would have prevented Little Giant or Rowe Creek, or that $37 million invested in training infrastructure would make catastrophic wildfire—or the enormous expense of fighting it—disappear. That isn’t the comparison. The comparison is between what America is willing to spend reactively once fires become major incidents, and what we struggle to invest proactively in permanent capacity before the fire comes, as it inevitably will.

We will spend hundreds of millions fighting major fires, move firefighters across the continent, activate the military, fly highly qualified wildfire specialists across the Pacific, and sustain enormous incident organizations for weeks or months. And then we struggle to assemble $37 million for permanent infrastructure capable of building the very workforce and leadership capacity we are scrambling to find.

There is something fundamentally backwards about that equation.

Where is the Capacity, Continuity and Will to Put Out the Fire?

The West does not need new ways to put more fire on the land, more symposiums explaining that wildfire is a problem, or repeated reminders that the workforce is strained. The people running these fires already know. What they need is capacity, continuity and experience—and the institutional will to build and sustain them. Above all, they need command: command that will “first put out the fire.”

RSR is not an alternative to America’s mutual-aid system. Quite the opposite. Build RSR so mutual aid can remain what it was intended to be: surge capacity—not a recurring answer to predictable workforce and qualification shortages.

Because we are already paying for the shortage—in aircraft hours and engine miles, mobilization and demobilization, military deployments, and personnel moved thousands of miles from one incident to another. We pay for it when experienced wildfire professionals must be flown across an ocean because our own system needs their qualifications. Above all, we pay when there simply aren’t enough experienced people available where and when they are needed.

We are living inside the hole created by yesterday’s failures.

Little Giant and Rowe Creek reveal the same underlying problem: the people fighting these fires need a deeper bench behind them. The national mobilization system is telling us what it needs, and the fires are telling us what it costs when that capacity falls short. Meanwhile, in southern Oregon, a project specifically designed to build that capacity is waiting—strengthening the national system while putting trained personnel and rapid-response capacity closer to the communities that need them.

 The Choice: Fish or Cut Bait

At what point does delay become prevarication—a choice without accountability for the staggering consequences to the beautiful landscapes of Chelan County, Washington, now laid waste at enormous cost to taxpayers?

Failure to fund RSR is not the absence of a decision. It is a decision to continue paying for the shortage instead of building the capacity to fix it.

Government has developed an insanely expensive habit of using our taxpayer dollars without limit once disaster arrives, while becoming skittish about investing a fraction of that amount to build readiness before the fire comes.

That equation has to change, before there is nothing left to burn.

Build the workforce. Build the leadership. Build the command capacity.

If we are serious about wildfire readiness, build RSR. Now.

The National Wildfire Alliance has formalized a partnership with the Rogue Siskiyou Regional Wildfire Training Center to support and advance RSR as a regional wildfire workforce and command-capacity resource.

The National Wildfire Alliance is a nonprofit public-interest organization working to improve wildfire policy, forest stewardship, suppression effectiveness, public accountability and regional firefighting capacity. NWA brings together wildfire professionals, researchers, landowners and public advocates to advance practical solutions that protect forests, communities and the people who defend them.

Dana Tibbitts is an author and investigative journalist specializing in wildfire risk, evacuation safety, and government accountability. She is co-founder with her husband of the Tahoe East Shore Alliance and serves on the Board of the National Wildfire Alliance. Dana is also co-author of Harnessing the Sky.

 Sources

National Interagency Fire Center, “National Fire News,” August 26 and August 31, 2026. National Preparedness Level 5; national incident and personnel statistics.

National Interagency Fire Center, “Military Support,” updated August 31, 2026. Active-duty U.S. Army support from Joint Base Lewis-McChord and deployment to the Little Giant Fire.

Central Oregon Fire Information, “Rowe Creek Complex / August 15, 2026.” Official acreage 373,784; 1,318 personnel; 89% containment.

Oregon State Fire Marshal, “Oregon State Fire Marshal resources demobilize from Rowe Creek Complex as containment reaches 89 percent,” August 18, 2026.

National Interagency Fire Center, “International Support — 2026 Australia and New Zealand mobilization.” 74-person first contingent, including a 15-person Incident Management Team; 240-person second wave; Northwest and Great Basin assignments.

Washington State Standard / Oregon Public Broadcasting, “Cost to battle 20 wildfires in Washington has topped $200M,” August 19, 2026. Washington DNR data showing $207 million in firefighting costs for 20 fires in roughly one month.

RSR project materials supplied by the author: site, project history, training-capacity model and current estimated $37 million capital cost.

PNW Roads, https://pnwroads.com/incident.php?id=15890

 

 

Transcript of Litigatorily-Inclined Strategy Call Against Permitting Deal Released: Joshua Siegel

Mostly litigants get to read our emails when we work for the Feds; it’s kind of fun that reporter Joshua Siegel got a copy of a transcript of litigatorily inclined ENGOs discussing the permitting bill..and intending to keep the strategy from Senators Whitehouse and Heinrich. It was considered by Hartl of CBD to be a “betrayal”- I’m sympathetic, as FS thinking and documents were regularly leaked to ENGOs in my time. Sauce for the goose and all that.

Joshua says on X:

At the outset of the call, Brett Hartl, government affairs director at the Center for Biological Diversity, stressed he wanted to keep their tactics a secret from Democratic negotiators Sens. Whitehouse and Heinrich, who are both allies of the environmental movement.

I guess it’s a bit of a battle for the title of “Who Counts as The Environmental Movement”. What I think it most interesting about it, and some of the takes I’ve read from law profs, is the idea that some environmental federal impacts to the environment and species are worth it (renewables) and others aren’t. Interesting how people who work with words and not things can arrive at conclusions about trade-offs.

I think there may be three separate ways of looking at it.

1. Don’t build anything (on federal land, for sure and maybe elsewhere- also forest management and grazing are suspect). What CBD lacks in practicality, they make up for in consistency.

II.There’s stuff “we” like and stuff we don’t like. Presidents pulling permits is OK for stuff we don’t like, but really, really bad for stuff we do like. The funny thing to me is that I’m not sure that anyone ever made a list of stuff they like, and stuff they don’t like and why, exactly. It’s interesting when you frame it that way.. there are trade-offs of course, but the pros and cons of various trade-offs and their associated uncertainties seldom enter the discussion of whether correct NEPA procedures have been followed in the courtroom. I’m not sure about the list (who decided) and how many of these groups agree on the details.

III. We know there are trade-offs, but we do need to build for various reasons, and the rules should be clearer and more straightforward, verging on technology-neutral. Communities need to be involved and not overridden. Technologies used to reduce impacts. Alternatives looked at. People knowledgeable about that work involved in hashing it out.. not optimally in a courtroom.

The political argument seems to be that if they wait, they can get a solution that encourages their favored projects, and discourages their disfavored projects. Meanwhile, local environmental groups tend to be against both kinds of new projects. And many ENGOs (not as litigatorily inclined) seem to be sitting this one out, or at least aren’t as vociferously against it.

Eric of Western Environmental Law Center said this at 12:21:19

One thing I’d note and relative to the prior comment about certainty, but then I think we should think about the judicial review provisions in conjunction with those certainty provisions, because essentially what this bill does is it hamstrings our ability to go after projects, and then it hamstrings the ability of any future president. to go after projects. And the problem with this is that this is a narrative framing component that I think we need to be really careful about because proponents of the bill are arguing that this empowers a future progressive administration to unleash clean energy and innovation. Really what it does is it just abdicates the responsibility of the federal government to set a direction for energy policy and then cedes that authority to the market because we won’t be able to challenge projects and a future administration will not be able to challenge anything that is in fact. Permitted during the pendency of the Trump administration, which is going to create an incentive for all these data centers and fossil fuel companies to rush through a process, hoard leases, permits and authorizations, and then basically tell a future administration to go fly a kite. And then, meanwhile, many of the regulatory tools that a new president would have, not just via NEPA, but ESA, Clean Water Act, National Historic Preservation Act. Those authorities for a new administration to tilt the scales in favor of renewables have gone away. And so I think a framing component for this has to be this isn’t about empowering a future administration.
This is about empowering tech, energy and finance. to do what they want, damn whatever a future president in 2029 wants to do to actually transition from fossil fuels to renewables. So there’s a legal component there on the judicial review and certainty provisions, but a really critical narrative component that we need to push back on.

It seems to me that it doesn’t “abdicate the responsibility of the federal government”, it actually permanentizes preferences of different elected officials because things can’t be unpermitted later. I know, some things should be permanentized (e.g. Monuments that they like) and others not. ”

It seems like these groups are negotiating the tension between renewable build out- which they consider to be good, and the fact that their power to get their preferred outcomes tends to reside in “no”. If they loosen the “no’s” other people can use the “no’s” against their preferred projects- apparently renewables and transmission?

Anyway, we can expect to see theses groups’ arguments and quotes in the media; it will be interesting to see how different outlets report the pros and cons of the legislation. I can’t help but think that some of this debate may help pass FOFA, since some of the FOFA’s NEPA/litigation provisions were a hang=up to some groups and their Congressional allies.

THW Interview with Chief Brian Fennessey: II. USWFS and Bureaus- Where Does Project Planning Go?

Whoops, this section should have gone with the previous post, quote from Fennessey (all quotes are from the transcript on the THW substack)

I remember when the district office would empty when there was a fire on the district or on the forest. I mean, everybody grabbed a tool, grabbed a yellow shirt, and went out there. And, you know, you didn’t know that the district ranger was a hell of a firefighter.
You know, the forest supervisor was a hell of a firefighter. Well, you know, over time, that’s changed. That’s not what it is today anymore. They’re still… You know, line officers that are amazing firefighters. I don’t want to take anything away from that. But the guys I used to work with, you know, the Joe Stutlers.
I think about Ray Quintanar. I mean, there’s all these names in my head that, man, were just incredible line officers and firefighters. Well, it’s not like that anymore. And it just is the way it is. And, you know, when it comes to public safety, And decisions need to be made as it affects communities, infrastructure, lives.
For me, again, this coming from a firefighter that’s been doing this for 48 years, 25% of those years as a fire chief, that needs to land on the fire service. We need to be responsible. We need to be held accountable for lives, property, and infrastructure.
And I don’t think it’s fair to the line officers that have to take that responsibility because they’re filling that position. I think it is time for a change. And I do see where one agency just makes a lot of sense. Will it be smooth? Will it be easy? No. Are we laying the framework now?
And have we shown that, hey, look, this can be done? Absolutely. Tim, how many people did you hear say, well, if the Department of Interior does this, who’s going to be spending the time on the landscape? You cannot detach these firefighters from the landscape. Nobody has. Nobody has. And should the Forest Service firefighters, should Congress decide to move them over and there be one agency, it’s the same thing. People’s offices aren’t going anywhere. Those same firefighters are going to be doing the work on the landscape. And I think it’s scale. I think when the budget for the firefighters… It’s moved over. And if you look at the FY27 budget today, that’s where it is, is we’re going to do a lot more work at scale on the landscape. And man, it’s got to be, I keep saying at scale, 24-7. We’ve got a long road ahead of us. But that’s what it’s going to take. Can we do that with two separate agencies? I suppose we could.
I’m suspicioning that someone has asked and answered the set of question we might have.  Who is going to do project planning for fuels and prescribed fire- the same bureau people who do it now? How will that work, if charge as worked, then USFWS will have to pay them for that work for fuels projects.  Even more potentially confusing, though, is what about mixed purpose projects?  Let’s take a thin and underburn.. would have fuel goals but also forest health goals and maybe timber. How to proportion the funding?  If some folks wanted to negotiate out important units or change prescription to suit some publics, would the fuels folks be able to say “hey if you don’t do x, we’re not funding it?” Maybe those aren’t questions on the Interior side, but seem relevant to the “should the FS fire folks move?” discussion.
Remember Don Yasuda’s presentation from 2009? Almost 20 years ago..it’s worth looking back…
It’s too hard to get projects through.. too many competing priorities. Again, not sure that these are relevant to Interior, except I have seen BLM fuels projects hung up in litigation.
But.. what if.. the USWFS had its own project planning shop?  My former boss, Fred Norbury, used to say that he thought the FS NEPA planning should operate more like a NIKE factory but then operated as a set of cobbler shops.  We can imagine all kinds of AI helped documents; when a court case came down, all ongoing documents could immediately be tagged for updating..  Perhaps even  (wildfire is a national security issue!) a separate set of DOJ litigators focused on fuels projects, with continuous feedback to the NEPA factory.  Maybe all housed in the same building.  Of course, local folks would review and do the fieldwork, but at the end of the day the analysis is a document.  For example, a case where a judge determines that an air quality model is controversial, everyone working could automatically switch.  Lawyers (and apparently, judges) already use AI.. so…according to Reuters..
An Oklahoma judge has acknowledged that a ruling he issued contained fictitious citations generated by artificial intelligence, according to state records, adding to a growing number of cases in which judges ​have faced scrutiny over AI use.
The judge, Lawrence Wheeler of the District Court of Stephens ‌County, told an investigator with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation that he used OpenAI’s ChatGPT for research, and that an order he drafted contained two citations to cases that do not exist, according to an August 17 letter from a prosecutor to ​the state attorney general’s office.
It’s a new world out there, and maybe fire folks, just like they have the best tech, could have the best litigation and project planning shop.
One story, as many of you know, I came to planning from silviculture.  When someone in silviculture found something out, we wrote it down and shared the document.  We also had forest, area, and regional training.   We had certification through CEFES and SI.
When I started to work with litigation, the advice was never written down because “the other side might get hold of it and learn our strategy.”  This was no doubt true as some folks on our side seemed to think that sharing with the other side was a good thing to do, because the other side was right and we were wrong.  When I was in DC, my boss asked me (and JR) to write a paper for the NEPA folks on “when NEPA applies.” No OGC attorney wanted to write things down because they felt each case is special (which it is). Finally one of the OGC folks helped us out and we published the document.  Why am I telling these stories?  Because the continuous learning process from NEPA through appeals/objections (that part worked OK) to litigation  did not work as effectively as it might have.  I hope it is greatly different nowadays. But it would be interesting for the USWFS and its contractor base to take a run at the process and see what they could do. When we worked with e-NEPA as part of E-gov (PALS was part of that effort) our contractor talked about the culture of how the FS does NEPA, but that was too heavy of a lift for us.  Perhaps it’s worth the USWFS doing a pilot experiment.  What if folks used all the tools currently at their disposal? What if litigators, Solicitors, and project planners directly communicated differently and frequently? Even a review of how things are working in the project planning to litigation assembly line.. by some outside folks, might be helpful.
In Fennessey’s terminology, “Does accomplishing the mission require changes to how we do business?”

THW Interview with Chief Brian Fennessey: I. Line Officers and Budgets

I recommend listening to The Hotshot Wakeup’s interview with USWFS Chief Brian Fennessey last Friday.  There’s nothing like hearing directly from the horse’s mouth. As we thanked the fire workforce a few weeks agao, he also attributes the success of this fire season to the workforce.. despite the challenges of a low snowpack and organizational changes, they pulled it off.

Take the mission and carry it out as best they can. And we feel like they did that. And in some cases, like I say, it was just unbelievable. The feedback I’ve gotten from type I CIMTs on how great it was to be sitting at the agency administrative briefing and looking another firefighter in the eye.
That doesn’t mean the line officer wasn’t there sharing resource values at risk and those sorts of things, but how well that went. Now, there’s occasions where we may have new FMOs, unit chiefs, where maybe that didn’t go as smoothly as it needed to. Not a surprise.
But the fact that there was so much fire on Department of Interior dirt this year, where we got to really exercise what this new organization was going to be like, and the fact that All of the horror stories that we heard in the winter and spring, what was going to happen and woe is me, none of that happened, I think speaks to the firefighters that are out there doing the job. We asked a lot of them, Tim. I mean, we asked them not only to continue to be FMOs and fire managers, but we asked them to be fire administrators too. And we didn’t give them much support.
There wasn’t much to give at the time other than get through the season and You know, as best we could. And so we’re feeling pretty good about that, but at the same time understanding that we got a lot of work ahead of us as well.

Previously, THW had covered about some internal tension going on in the Forest Service wildfire space, with some folks supportive of the new organization, and other folks highly worried about the FS wildfire folks going over.

There were four  areas specifically that Fennessey touched on that I want to engage with.1,  Line officers’ authorities and budgets  2 What stays and what goes with USWFS in terms of project planning and litigation. 3.Why agencies can have a culture of “no”, and what happened to Service First? and 4. Communication problems and the broader issue of why problems don’t get fixed. As always, you are invited to listen and bring up your own topics from the interview.

I thought that this was interesting

But yeah, nine months, nine and a half months in, and it’s been one heck of a ride. Yeah. I’m just learning a ton, enjoying the heck out of it, being around firefighters and the energy and enthusiasm that so many of them have. We have a weekly staff meeting, not just my executive team,
but all the geographic area fire chiefs and the exec team. There’s probably 40, 50 people on this call every Thursday that goes for a couple hours and These are the leaders of the organization and getting honest feedback on what’s working and maybe what’s not.
I think the last show we talked about the cultural coalition that we have going, which is an internal group being facilitated by Mission Center Solutions and others that is bringing feedback from the field, from those that are living it every day and putting it right in front of us.

I don’t know if other parts of Interior and the FS have a similar process.  For sure, in my experience, folks will tell things to third parties they won’t tell their bosses.

I’ll start with what he said about line officers being equals and not superiors.

Take the mission and carry it out as best they can. And we feel like they did that. And in some cases, like I say, it was just unbelievable. The feedback I’ve gotten from type I CIMTs on how great it was to be sitting at the agency administrative briefing and looking another firefighter in the eye.
That doesn’t mean the line officer wasn’t there sharing resource values at risk and those sorts of things, but how well that went. Now, there’s occasions where we may have new FMOs, unit chiefs, where maybe that didn’t go as smoothly as it needed to. Not a surprise.
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But back to your original question, I would say give it a chance. I think those, many of the doubters on the DOI side would tell you today that, you know, they got it wrong. Actually, it makes sense and it’s working. I would tell the line officers to talk to the DOI line officers. Yeah, was it perfect?
Probably not. But hey, we’re all in this together. We cannot do this without the line officers. They cannot do it without us. It’s all about partnerships and relationships. And the nonsense that goes on in between is just that. It’s nonsense.
Budget- Are Other Folks Dipping Into the Fire Budget?
I  heard that for years too, even like I said, when I worked in the 70s and 80s. And I kind of, again, I don’t, Know this, but from my perspective, it’s like, listen, if you’re any federal agency and you feel like you’ve been underfunded for years, I mean, you figure out a way to work around that, right?
And I think over the decades, you know, that’s occurred. I mean, I attended the Hotshot, a portion of the Hotshot superintendent steering committee, I believe it was in Boise, you know, my first, second, third month, whatever, up there and I remember one of the superintendents describing how they believe that the budget process went, and I think there’s 60, 70, Forest Service hotshot crews, and that the piece of pie was cut evenly, so they each got their equal piece of the pie, but when it finally got down to them, many times there was no pie, or there was very little pie left, and this and that, and you ask, well, what happens?
And I think… Nobody’s necessarily doing anything quote unquote wrong. They’re just doing what’s been done for many years. You know, they’re funding, potentially positions are being funded, projects are being funded out of fire that maybe weren’t intended for that. On the DOI side, we’ve been really clear about it. It’s like, look, because it’s all coming through us, even the prescribed fire monies or fuel treatment funding, you know, we will make sure that, you know, firefighters are doing, you know, fire Related work and not non-fire work. I mean, the public is expecting us to, you know, to spend it that way. Again, to the degree that, again.
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So, other than when I worked in reforestation and genetics on forests, I was always an “off the top” funded person in the RO and WO.  In the RO, my budget came from the programs who did most projects and had most appeals and litigation through some kind of formula.  In the WO probably the same for the NEPA staff. What Fennessey seems to be talking about is “charge as worked” for primary fire folks, thinking that they have enough work on their own (perhaps) that they don’t need to do others’ work (whether funded by them or not?) not clear.  So it’s almost like there are two areas of concern… how wildfire funding gets to the ground and who else should rightfully get a chunk, and the charge as worked question. Since I don’t understand how Interior does or doesn’t do charge as worked, that part is confusing to me.
Next post.. where do USWFS and the bureaus meet in terms of project planning, NEPA and litigation?