Jack Ward Thomas on the Role of DOJ and Settlements

This cartoon is from Stu’s Views and used with his permission.

This post is another on some of the advantages and disadvantages of use of litigation in resolving environmental conflicts, and so let me clearly reiterate my position. I am not anti environmental law. I am not against the use of courts to decide when the government breaks the law. I do think we could have better and cheaper quality control on government decisions and documents than appeals and litigation. I am for consideration of different ways to reach desirable policy outcomes, as well as the costs and benefits (as well as opportunity costs) of each approach. I would argue that the courtroom is not always the best place to resolve policy or environmental disputes, for a variety of reasons, and I will try to describe these reasons through a series of posts as time permits.

When people litigate the Forest Service, the case is defended by the Department of Justice. So the discussions tend to be between the Forest Service, the Office of General Counsel, the plaintiffs and the Department of Justice. You can see an opportunity for a conflict concerning a certain project in a certain geographic area, where the public has weighed in throughout the NEPA process, to be effectively decided (through settlement) by individuals, mostly attorneys, who see the project through the legal lens.

In my observation, people bring different lenses through which they see environmental disputes. Let’s take a grazing case. There are the local professional lenses of the range conservationist and the local wildlife biologists, there are the local community lenses, the lenses of different scientific disciplines, and the lenses of different lawyers. By restricting the ultimate decision to those who look at the world through the legal lenses, I would argue that you restrict the choices of dispute resolution by leaving out potential solutions only visible to those with other lenses than legal.

Now, I am not saying that anyone’s lens is individually “correct.” It is like the old story of the blind man and the elephant. The elephant both is, and is more than, the sum of all the people feeling the tusk, the foot, and the ear. But any effort to feed an elephant would not work unless someone were aware of its mouth.

But that is just my observation, and my data points are fairly restricted. Let’s look at what Jack Ward Thomas, the former Chief has to say about this.

These quotes are from the 2004 book “Jack Ward Thomas: the Journals of a Forest Service Chief. Thanks to Matt, I found it on Googlebooks here and at least part of the book can be searched.

Unfortunately, I couldn’t copy it, so had to retype. Any other ideas out there to obviate retyping would be appreciated, and any mistakes are solely mine.

P 132

One of the most stunning facts that I have learned over the past year is that, in its ability to independently determine whether or not to proceed with any legal activity, the Department of Justice wields the greatest capacity to set policy of any agency of the government. I naively assumed that the chief of the Forest Service made the decision as to whether to pursue a court action. Not even the undersecretary or the secretary makes those decisions. Such can merely request and suggest. The Department of Justice decides- the agency can proprose and the Department of Justice disposes. That power is not well understood even by students of the internal workings of government. If the policy-setting power of the lawyers in the Department of Justice were well understood, I don’t think anybody- Congress, the persons affected, or politically appointed agency administrators- would appreciate that fact.”

P 232

“In my opinion, and those of my legal advisers, the proposed agreement contained three real clunkers to which we strenuously objected. The Department of Justice is, in my opinion, almost always too eager to settle legal actions, particularly when plaintiffs are of the environmental persuasion. It was a shock to my system to find that the Department of Justice does not consider the Forest Service a client. They have little concerns as to the desires of the Forest Service or any other agency. They set their own course and in doing so are de facto setters of policy. Somehow that seems to be a serious flaw in the system. But for now, at least, it is the system.

So that was JWT’s view. For my smaller sample, I see that DOJ is willing to settle, at least in part, because that is how their work is incentivized. When we quantify performance (one of my pet peeves, albeit possibly a necessary evil) we sometimes look for what we can observe (cases settled) rather than what is a judgment call (excellence in policy outcomes). What we incentivize is ultimately what we get, for good or ill.

Most cases I see are brought by environmental groups, so we don’t have to go any farther than incentives and the proportion of cases to explain the behavior that Chief Thomas takes issue with.

In response to Martin’s previous point in a comment here :

“why does industry use of litigation not get nearly as much attention in the context of the ESA? I bet a majority of the active ESA cases right now, or in the recent past, are industry-based challenges trying to undo critical habitat designations.”

I think that this is a difference between looking at the overall issue of “ESA and the courts” compared to “FS cases that invoke ESA.”

In the family of cases that most Forest Service people see, most NEPA/NFMA/ESA cases are brought by environmental groups. Other litigation tends to be around round lands or water rights issues and also settles disputes, but they tend to be more overtly legal disputes, and not so much land use/allocation/practice disputes.

The latter kinds of disputes are the ones where one might argue that a broader range of public interests should play a role in the resolution of the conflict. To summarize, then, by determining the solution to land use conflicts through settlement, we may be missing certain points of view that could lead to better policy outcomes. There may also be a concern about the public being involved in decisions about the management of public land at these points, but I will leave that for the political scientists.

6 thoughts on “Jack Ward Thomas on the Role of DOJ and Settlements”

  1. Jack Ward wrote: “It was a shock to my system to find that the Department of Justice does not consider the Forest Service a client”

    It was a shock to mine to discover that Jack didn’t realize that.

  2. The Forest Service has often appeared shocked to realize it works for a non-forester politician under rules written by other primarily non-forester politicians. Life would be so much simpler if the Forest Service reported to a Board of Foresters, e.g., as private forestland owners do in Oregon and most other states.

    JWT’s FS vs. DOJ perspective exemplifies the resistance scientifically-trained professionals have to outsiders telling them how to do their jobs. It is not disagreements with DOJ over what the law requires that drives the FS bananas. It’s more basically the notion that such laws exist at all.

    Thus the FS promotes nutty ideas like “the laws conflict with each other” and “forest plans don’t make any decisions.” These are policy positions not designed to conform FS behavior to the laws, but instead to immunize or exempt the FS from those laws.

  3. While I don’t think that the idea that some of the laws governing the Forest Service conflict in some ways is “nutty” I also don’t think that it is a real problem and that the Agency should just “get over it.” The conceit that “forest plans don’t make decisions” is some sort of Office of General Counsel (which reports to the USDA) double think. It is at the center of a shell game that goes something like: “We don’t deal with something at the plan level because it’s a project decision and when it comes time for the project analysis we’ll insist that it’s a plan-level issue.”

    The last Administration spiraled to giddy heights trying to rationalize not consulting with the US Fish and Wildlife Service and NMFS on forest plans while arguing that plans adequately protect endangered species even in the absence of mandatory “standards”. Now that’s “nutty.” If there are fingers to be pointed in that particular case though, they might most appropriately be aimed at the former Undersecretary’s office not the many folks from the FS who vainly pointed out the illogical nature of that argument.

  4. I owe Jim and others an explanation regarding my comments on this blog (and elsewhere, too). Whatever criticisms I make of the “Forest Service” are always directed at the bureaucracy and never at individuals (unless identified by name :)). The FS’s employees are so outstanding that they created and have sustained the unofficial ombudsman FSEEE for 22 years. A unique accomplishment in the public sector! But bureaucracies behave in idiosyncratic ways sometimes inconsistent with any (or even every) individual within the organization. It is the nature of the political species.

  5. BTW, JWT is a proud member of the wildlife biology profession and stood up for wildlife when that wasn’t a popular position. Does anyone else remember that Region 6 Meeting long long ago, in which Jerry Franklin and Jack Ward Thomas came to talk to us timber/silviculture people about “killing sacred cows?” At the time (early 80’s) they were on the fringe but they spoke out and were listened to, and change has come both due to external pressures and due to employees.

    Andy, I know that you know this about JWT, but when you said “shocked to realize it works for non-forester politicians”, I realized that many blog readers might not be as steeped in history as we are.


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