What If We Abstained from Generalization?

Listening to the Forest Service and new roads discussion, and the points made about generalized statements about “enviros” in our discussions last week, I was thinking perhaps we should adopt an additional civility goal. Maybe as part of our continuous improvement program in civility.

t seems like our first goal was “don’t call people names”. To be hard on the ideas, not on the people. So instead of “Tiffany, you are a termagant”, you could say “Tiffany’s ideas are stinking pile of foolish innuendo enwrapt by lies and malfeasance.” (if my language is archaic, I’m reading medieval history so there is some language leakage).

I think we are fairly good at this, most of the time . The next step, though is to move toward “I don’t think that ecosystems behave the way you suggest, Tiffany, because in my experience….or these publications indicate…”

I’ve been blessed by people helping me with relational counseling at work and home; the literature they use agrees that communication is improved when you are specific, more than general, and use “I” language.

Here’s a work example: “you always give me the worst projects.”
In that case, it is said to be helpful to ask instead “I wanted to work on the XYZ project, why did you assign Frank instead?”

I think this is relevant to our discussion here for a couple of reasons. Let’s take generalizing about a couple of things as examples:

The Forest Service builds too many new roads and they can’t afford to keep up their current road system. So I think,” when I worked for the FS we weren’t building new system roads. Energy people pay for their own roads. Temp roads don’t need to be kept up.. so .. what is this person talking about?”

When David said, “a specific project in Alaska” I figured..”well that could be, Alaska Is Different (the FS mantra)”.

Similarly, when folks say “enviros think”, they, like the FS, are really too diverse to be considered one entity. If I were, say, a member or staff of the organizations collaborating on Colt Summit, I might resist be lumped with Mr. Garrity’s group. Even “some enviros” or “frequent litigators” would be better.

What I think we should go for is something I call “irritating practices and behaviors” without generalization.

So let me give an example. When I worked on Colorado Roadless, there was a group XXXX. For reasons that have been mysterious to me and others, XXXX seemed to be able to influence both R and D administrations in Washington. So any time over the seven years we worked on it, we received the message that we needed to pay serious attention to what they said. The problem was that for each of the however many comment periods, they would “up the ante”. I even had a table that showed 2005, XXXX wrote they wanted Y, so we gave them Y in 2006 they wanted Z so we gave them Z.. and so on all the way to 2011 (when I stopped working on it).

As Roadless was nearing its end, I attended an excellent Partnership Training (about the partnership with the Union). One thing they talked about with regard to employee grievances, was the idea of “negotiating in good faith.” At that point I realized that was what irritated me about XXXX, is that they did not seem to be negotiating in good faith. Unless you think that each opening is an opportunity to get your way.. which is a philosophy that is different from the idea of collaboration. More like international trade than a local stakeholder group.

Now, I could identify XXXX, but I don’t think it’s necessary. If we only were specific to the extent that we not name them by name but name the behavior or practice that’s irritating, but ascribe it to a specific entity rather than globally, I think we would be able to engage and understand each other more deeply. Also we can go deeper into why we find this behavior or practice to be irritating.

The same thing with “science.” Anytime someone says “the science shows” it makes me wonder, because different disciplines, different framings, different species, different areas of the country all may be different. The scientific process, by it’s very nature, tends to raise questions, not to settle them.

I like Roger Pielke Jrs’ quote in the post here that was excerpted below:

The risk of such an approach is reminiscent of the old saw about the drunk and the lamppost – expertise can be used more for support than for illumination.

So what do you think? Can we attempt to abjure generalizations.. about the FS, enviros, science? Can we be specific about scientific studies, and examine why we find the behavior or practices of specific groups to be irritating?

Blog Update- Virtual Book Club Delayed to September

DSCN0289 View in West Elk Wilderness, Colorado The little spots to the right are cattle.
You can click on the photo to see more.

I went on vacation starting last Friday, a pack trip to the West Elk Wilderness. But forgot to post the note saying so, duh! Larry generously volunteered to keep things going while I was gone.

Other blog updates: We are ready to move to a new host that will give us more flexibility but we need to pick a theme because we can’t use the one we have; I’ll work on that starting next week.

Based on feedback, Virtual Book Club on Dan Botkin’s “The Moon and the Nautilus Shell” is being delayed until folks get back from vacationing and after Labor Day. So Book Club will start September 9. Please send me any posts or ideas you want to talk about with regard to the book, and/or bottles of white wine to create the appropriate ambience.

Sharing Blog Posts

someone asked if we could enable sharing of posts on Twitter. I think I did this, plus LinkedIn plus Facebook. When you see a post you want to share, click on its title. Then you should see the buttons to share. I hope it works..

I made up a twitter account called forestpolicypub, because I think I had to. So don’t be surprised if that shows up somewhere.. that’s NCFP’s alternate name.

P. S. I am still working on transferring the hosting so that we can expand the number of comments and add other functionality. Thanks to Eli Sagor for setting it up!

Terry- it took the aging brain a while to figure out that the buttons only show up when you click on the post.

A Note from David Beebe

David Beebe was the noted Alaskan on this blog.
David Beebe was the noted Alaskan on this blog.

I am beginning to catch up from my “vacation”- actually a week focused on dealing with the bureaucracy of trying to get my retirement benefits. More on that when I am successful. As a result of these troubles and other commitments, I am way behind on things.. please email and remind me if I had volunteered to do something and have not yet done it yet ([email protected]).

A few weeks ago I checked in with David Beebe with this note..

Just sayin’ we miss you and would like you to come back. Check out this sad set of comments..
http://ncfp.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/lawsuit-alleges-mt-fwp-allowing-trapping-in-occupied-lynx-habitat-in-violation-of-esa/#comment-16298

I don’t know what you’re up to, or if you feel it in your heart. but just wanted to know that people care about you here.

Sharon

Here’s his reply..

to me

Hi Sharon,
Thanks for sharing the thoughts. I must decline (and do not miss engaging in the repetitive and often petty tit-for-tat exchanges) for the following reasons.

I agree to a certain extent with Pielke’s insight that bloggers are born with a constitutional predisposition to engage others in debate.

That debate however, was once a collective birthright, an essential aspect of a national dialog which informed a majority opinion instrumental in steering many positive developments in American political consciousness. However, the bully pulpit is no longer shared with little people representing the full range of the debate. This is perhaps because the spokespeople of that consciousness-raising public dialog kept, and keep, having a tendency to get assassinated or killed under suspicious circumstances. There are too many to list here, and I can already hear reactionary aspersions of “conspiracy theorist!” memes in response. Or alternatively, JZ’s innuendoes and “usual suspects” slur.)

I can care about them too, but can’t justify the use of the time. Triage is my order of the day.

The topic of decimated if not entirely locally disappeared lynx populations in its home range is iconic as much as it is ironic. WE are that easily duped species lured to the intellectual traps of denial, and will inexorably suffer the same fate as the lynx.

The lynx according to JZ’s own use of suspect science, “The conservation status for the lynx is Globally “secure”, nationally “secure” in Canada and “apparently secure” in the US.” ignores how specific watershed inhabitants acquire and pass on specific genetic attributes necessary for future generations to survive in those watersheds. It also ignores the fact lynx survive only to the extent the same forces which created locally extinct populations are not also being applied incrementally to their shrinking refugia.

Doctor Bob’s still miscounting peas to determine intelligence based upon cranial volume while ignoring larger trends claiming others are miscounting lynx to determine species viability. I suspect you would invoke at this point, that species come and species go, so what’s the big deal? The big deal to me is the trend which points to the obvious conclusions as to the fate of our species. The big deal to me is if scientists wear their credentials on their sleeve based upon having exorcised compassion from their professional identity and belief systems, they ultimately excise an essential component of what makes them human.

Nonetheless, you Sharon, have inspired me, and for that I am deeply grateful to you as my teacher. You have taught me to examine my own intellectual weaknesses, constructs, and assumptions. Those inspirations didn’t necessarily occur in the heat of debate, but I found they often lingered as seeds of greater awareness i possibly would not have otherwise had.

I too, celebrate our commonly held beliefs even if they are more often than not based upon entirely different rationales. As for yin and yang energies though, my belief is I, and Matthew, and others have been commenting far more from the pool of yin, which has been suffering a prolonged and desperate drought.

Be well,
~db~

I do miss David, especially a news story comes across about cap’n’trade or REDDs which we agreed about. I have only read a part of the recent discussion, but I agree with David that discussing on the blog helps me refine my thinking and arguments. And lots of times I simply learn things I didn’t know. But if he were here, I would say “hey, I think I’m just as “yin” as you.” Not sure any blog like this could handle such a debate. In fact, one of my coworkers and I once went to see our boss, the Deputy Regional Forester at the time (RS) to be granted a favor. In return, we offered not to mention the words “yin” or “yang” to him for six months. He deemed it a fair trade. Just sayin’.

Sharon’s Spring Blogging Break

While daffodils and lilies of the season get the center stage at this time of year, the pine male and female flowers have their own classic beauty.
While daffodils and lilies get center stage at this time of year, the pine male and female flowers have their own classic beauty.

I will be off until next Sunday April 7, and there are now plenty of others to post and approve posts.

As it turns out, I have gotten behind with posting.. have had a great many contributions, but thanks to the nature of our business, I’m sure they will continue to be relevant when I return. Thanks to folks who have volunteered to work on the EA vs. EIS Vegetation Management project including Forest Service folks who are going to help round up information.

Oh, and for the folks who aren’t familiar with medieval mystics and their understanding of the interconnectedness of all things, I ran across this Canticle by Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1199), named a Doctor of the Church in 2012. It has a touch of spring about it as well..

I am the fiery Life of Divine Wisdom
I ignite the beauty of the plains
I sparkle the waters
I burn in the sun, and the moon, and the stars
With Wisdom I order all things rightly
Above all I determine truth.


I adorn all the earth
I am the Breath that nurtures all things green
I encourage blossoms to flourish with ripening fruits
I feed the purest streams
I am the rain coming from the dew that causes the grasses to laugh with the joy of life
I call forth tears, the aroma of holy work.
I am the yearning for good.

Blog Volunteer Needed!

Bob correctly pointed out that it’s a pain in the patootie to catch up on comments because the widget on the right hand side of the screen only holds 15 comments. I have exhausted my meager WordPress skills as it appears that that is an upper limit, based on what I can find out. There could be work-arounds but it would take some time and better skills than I have to suss them out.

Your reward would be deep appreciation from all of us and a six-pack (or equivalent in dollars) from me.

Certificate of Appreciation

The folks who post and comment here do so out of the kindness of our hearts and in relative obscurity. I received this nice certificate in the mail (from Robert Redford, no less!) and thought I would share with you all…who equally deserve it ;).

NRDC

NCFP 2012 in review

In the interests of transparency, below is the annual report provided by WordPress…

The WordPress.com stats helper monkeys prepared a 2012 annual report for this blog.

Here’s an excerpt:

19,000 people fit into the new Barclays Center to see Jay-Z perform. This blog was viewed about 110,000 times in 2012. If it were a concert at the Barclays Center, it would take about 6 sold-out performances for that many people to see it.

Click here to see the complete report.

Any thoughts on where we should go in 2013?

If you don’t feel comfortable posting, please send to me at [email protected].

Thanks to all for 2012, especially
Bob Zybach
David Beebe
JZ
Derek
Tree
and Larry

Happy Winter Solstice Blogging Break!

Chambers_Yule_Log

Larry Harrell has generously agreed to post posts others might contribute, and to approve comments while I am gone on a Solstice break from December 22nd until January 4th or so. Contributions are encouraged. While you are contemplating your own Yule log, perhaps you could jot down some ideas for posting?

Photo by Penny Stritch
Photo by Penny Stritch

The Yule log is a large log that is burned in the hearth as part of a Yule, or Christmas, celebration or with Winter Solstice festivals. “Yule log” may also refer to log-shaped Christmas cakes.

Historically, the Yule log tradition may have included an entire tree or the largest log available to be burned in the fire hearth. Historians believe the tradition was derived from pagan worship rites, representations of health and fertility, rituals asking for blessings and protection, festivals celebrating the winter solstice, or was simply for decoration and practical use.

Some traditions included starting the Yule log fire with the remnant of the previous year’s log, to bring prosperity and protection from evil. After the celebration, pieces of the Yule log would be saved to start the fire of next winter’s solstice Yule log. In some European traditions, oak was the preferred species for the Yule log, as it represented the waxing sun, symbolized endurance, strength, protection, and good luck to people in the coming year.

From Larry Stritch’s Forest Service site on Plants of the Winter Solstice, worth taking a look at here.

Best wishes to you and yours from all of us here at NCFP!