The Salt Lake City HQ and a Call for Philanthropists to Become Interested in Good Government

Yates Building Current FS HQ Washington DC, next to USDA Building

 

A number of interesting things have happened over the past week or so..

Saturday- at a meeting it was announced at a meeting that the Forest Service would be moving its headquarters to Salt Lake City if Congress approves.  Tim at the Hotshot Wakeup has a story about this, including comments from the Department and other sources.

I think it’s a bad idea, and at the same time, I don’t think all the positions in DC need to be there.  Having tried to recruit people to DC, both in R&D and in NEPA, to GS-14 and 15 positions.. well, it wasn’t easy and I didn’t often get the cream of the crop.  In fact, I wasn’t necessarily the cream of the crop either, as I was in DC for dual-career reasons.

Just let’s suppose for a minute, that a foundation existed that was interested in good government in general, and not making partisan political points.

They might fund a school of public administration (or more than one) to ask questions like:

The BLM Experience

What happened to the BLM’s HQ in Grand Junction? What were the goals? Were they successful at meeting them? Did the next Admin ever bring career people back to DC? Which ones? What was their rationale for bringing them back?

The Forest Service Minerals Experience

FS Minerals moved their WO staff to Denver.  As I recall the Director had two offices, one in DC and one in our RO, perhaps this changed.  Did this “work”? How did the employees feel about it? How did those using their skills feel about it? I know as a client (in the same building) it worked for me, in fact there was a coal expert in Salt Lake who was very knowledgeable and helpful.  In fact, we cared more about their expertise and helpfulness than where they were.

Do Certain Positions Lend Themselves to Being in DC? What Kind of Criteria Would We Use?

Of course! Legislative Affairs, for one, and high ranking officials (Directors and above?).  My own experience was that I often met with CEQ in person (as AD of NEPA) but others not so much.   We met with OGC quite a bit working on a planning rule, and occasionally we’d meet with NRE (when forests flew into town to present their plans).

Moving People Vs. Hiring the Next Person at the New Place

If policies were reasonable, we would analyze these situations and likely determine that many positions did not need to be in DC.  Letting the current employees work in DC and hiring new positions in the new place would be the least disruptive to employees and their families. This is very rational, but would require consistency in policies over time, which is hard to do when the issue becomes a partisan football.

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How do we end up with irrational policies, and alternating throwing out babies with the bathwater as each color of Admin replaces the next? Probably because each Admin can count on only four years to do what they do.. reward their friends and punish their enemies.

I attribute to a lack of interest in government effectiveness from rich people who fund foundations and charities. I don’t expect reporters to do this kind of work.  We have schools of public administration and they are likely to do whatever they are funded to do.

There is no center of reasonableness, but there could be.

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Frankly, I always found it difficult to reconcile the view of some D’s that moving any positions from DC would be bad, even though their Admin’s work from home policies meant that the Yates Building (and some ROs) had very few people actually in them.  So that’s another seemingly incongruent position that reasonable people might be curious about.

And I think moving all of headquarters willy-nilly to SLC is a bad idea.   So here we are.. there is a pathway to reasonable change, but will the underlying analysis be there to take it? Or will we be swept up in another round of partisan sniping and unnecessary drama to the detriment of employees and after all the main objective of all, I would think, getting the work done.

Federal Lands Litigation – update through November 30, 2025

Kind of quiet lately, and not much media coverage of what has happened …

FOREST SERVICE

New lawsuit (D. Utah)

On November 7, the Alliance for the Wild Rockies, Wildlands Defense, Native Ecosystems Council, and Council for Wildlife and Fish sued the Forest Service for approving logging, masticating, roller mulching, and burning 127,667 acres across the Dixie National Forest’s Pine Valley Ranger District in southeast Utah.  According to the plaintiffs, the project would violate forest plan requirements for goshawks, big game winter range, and old growth habitat.  There are also concerns about pinion jays and air quality.

New lawsuit  (D. Montana)

On November 24, the Alliance for the Wild Rockies, Native Ecosystems Council, and Council on Wildlife and Fish sued the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest to stop the Selway-Saginaw logging project.  The project includes logging over 4,000 acres, mostly in units exceeding 40 acres, for the purpose of achieving “forest plan timber and vegetation management goals” and for “economic benefit” and “the product utilization forest plan goal.”  The Forest modified its lynx habitat maps in 2020, which allowed logging in additional areas.  Grizzly bears and sage-grouse are also concerns associated with the environmental assessment.

New lawsuit:  Klamath Forest Alliance v. Jones (E.D. California)

On November 25, A coalition of environmental groups sued the Forest Service over what they call the misuse of “emergency” powers to fast-track logging in the Shasta-Trinity National Forest – using the possibility of a future wildfire instead of an ongoing emergency as justification.  No environmental review was conducted for timber sales in an area occupied by northern spotted owls.

Bloomberg Law has expounded on the debate about “emergency” declarations, and included the Nantahala-Pisgah case discussed here.  The article is not paywalled, but its links to the complaints are.

BLM

Court decision in U.S.A. v. Pheasant (9th Cir.)

On October 31, the circuit court reversed the district court decision and allowed the BLM to enforce criminal provisions adopted pursuant to FLPMA.  The case involved a dirt bike rider with a broken taillight, and the court decided that Congress had provided “some standard constraining discretion” of the agency, and that this test applied equally to criminal and civil cases.  The district court opinion and circuit court dissents suggest continuing disagreement over how much latitude Congress can give federal agencies criminal prosecutions (the “nondelegation doctrine”).  The article has a link to the opinion.

Amended complaint in Powder River Basin Resource Council v. U. S. Department of the Interior (D. D.C.)

On November 5, plaintiffs Powder River Resource Council and Western Watersheds Project filed an amended complaint following a 2024 preliminary injunction against over 200 permits to drill in Wyoming.  According to plaintiffs, in August, the BLM began approving drilling permits based on new environmental reviews (which the plaintiffs assert are flawed), and the agency is “plowing ahead with the project despite an unresolved court order halting new drilling permits…”

New lawsuit (E.D. California)

On November 11, Wild Horse Education, Carter Reservoir Mustangs Inc. and individual members sued to stop the BLM from reducing the populations of three wild horse herds along the California-Nevada border.  In documents filed by the groups, they state that BLM has never determined what a science-based management level would actually look like, and has failed to comply with NEPA and the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act because of inaccurate overpopulation calculations.

New lawsuit (D. Montana)

On November 17, the Alliance for the Wild Rockies, Native Ecosystems Council and Council on Wildlife and Fish filed suit against the BLM for unlawfully reauthorizing grazing and livestock management projects, including diversion of springs into water tanks, in the Grasshopper Watershed.  Plaintiffs state that this would occur in Montana’s best habitat for the greater sage-grouse.  The agency allegedly failed to comply with NEPA or the agency’s sage-grouse management plan., and did not analyze how climate change has affected baseline conditions of the watershed, according to the complaint.

ENDANGERED SPECIES

New lawsuit:  Center for Biological Diversity v. U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service (N.D. California)

On November 19, Earthjustice filed a lawsuit against the Fish and Wildlife Service on behalf of the Center for Biological Diversity over its missed deadlines for determining whether to list the California spotted owl under the Endangered Species Act.  The agency proposed the species for listing in 2023, and should have made a final decision within one year.  The news release includes a link to the complaint, and says this:

“The U.S. Forest Service and the timber industry have instituted some protections for the spotted owl’s habitat, but damaging clearcutting and salvage logging persist. Combined with the increased risk of severe fire, these practices are resulting in continued loss of habitat.”

Court decision in Center for Biological Diversity v. Quintero (C.D. California)

On November 20, the district court ruled that the California Department of Parks and Recreation violated the Endangered Species Act by allowing motorized vehicle use that has illegally harmed western snowy plovers at the Oceano Dunes State Vehicular Recreation Area.  A habitat conservation plan that would authorize some incidental take of the birds has been controversial and has not been completed.  Motorized vehicle use has not been enjoined while those efforts continue.  The court’s opinion is here.

On November 19, 2025, the Fish and Wildlife Service and the National Marine Fisheries Service released for public comment four proposed rules that would once again revise the Endangered Species Act’s implementing regulations governing: (1) Section 7 interagency consultation; (2) Section 4(d) rules applicable to the take of threatened species; (3) Section 4 listing of species as endangered or threatened and critical habitat designation; (4) Section 4(b)(2) exclusions from critical habitat designations.

OTHER

3 new lawsuits (D. Alaska)

On November 12, three lawsuits were filed to try to block a land exchange that would allow a road to be built through the Izembek National Wildlife Refuge in southwestern Alaska.  All assert violations of the Endangered Species Act, the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act and other federal laws.  The land trade would convey a little less than 500 acres of refuge land, most of it designated wilderness, to the Native-owned King Cove Corp. The corporation would give 1,739 acres of its land to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to be added to the refuge, and the federal government would also pay the corporation for the land.  The 18.9 mile road would connect the community of King Cove, home to about 750 people, with a legacy military airstrip, mostly through lands considered “world-class bird habitat that is in the heart of the Refuge.”

New lawsuit (Lewis and Clark County, Montana District Court)

American Prairie, a nonprofit organization dedicated to creating, owning and maintaining one of the nation’s largest nature reserves, which is dedicated to promoting and preserving prairie land bison, has sued the State of Montana for refusing to issue a grazing lease on state lands for a portion of its bison operations.  The state has said that because the land is adjacent to federal grazing land leased by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, it is awaiting a final decision about bison grazing there before taking action on its state permit.  The BLM is arguing that federal grazing law does not allow bison, but an administrative law judge has rejected that argument.

 

The Forest Service Recreation Conundrum- Why Doesn’t Megabuck Profits Generate Megabuck Federal Bucks Via Lobbying?

OREC Numbers 2021 https://orrstaging.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/04-OREC-Numbers-2021.pdf

 

Outdoor recreation activities included in ORR.

We’ve been talking about the importance of recreation on National Forests and the lack of adequate funding for the basics.  What’s puzzling to me (and I’ve mentioned this before) is why the States are so successful at lobbying, and recreation interests are not.

We are always hearing about the economic value of the outdoor industry, and how its much better for forests and communities than “extractive uses.”  Here’s a recent example from Utah.

“The reaction to that from the conservation community or the environmental community was ‘Oh, well, you can’t put a price tag on these places,’ or … ‘That’s not what we should be doing — it’s about these beautiful vistas,’” said Jessica Turner, president of the Outdoor Recreation Roundtable.

Her organization, referred to as ORR, is a broad coalition of outdoor recreation businesses and associations that come from nearly all subsets of the outdoor industry. One could say it represents the whole big tent of the industry, but Turner suggested that they’d also have to somehow include “yurt, glamp, lodge, RV,” as well as boat slips and then find ways to include engines, too.

whom does ORR represent? Member include states, the National Ski Association, the American Bus Association, RV industry associations, Boat US, Rivian, universities, the Diving Equipment and Marketing Association, Motorcycle, Snowmobiles and Booz Allen Hamilton (due to their contracting for Rec.gov).

There is definitely big money in all of these.. so here’s the mystery.. if the States could get IRA bucks for $1.5 bill (extra to Appropriated bucks) for the Urban and Community Forestry Program, why weren’t the states and industry asking for a big chunk for recreation (I could write the “climate resilience” verbiage myself). Or were they asking and some Congressional dynamics didn’t work to get the funding?

I’m not one of those who thinks that the FS should only be for NFS and R&D.. S&PF bucks wouldn’t be there except for States asking for it. Maybe States don’t lobby hard enough because the bucks don’t come to/through them.

According to ORR’s latest published research based on federal data, the outdoor recreation industry was worth $1.2 trillion in 2023, the most recent available data. That’s 2.3% of the U.S. gross domestic product.

Just the excise taxes on things like fuel and gas for ATVs, boats and purchasing the wide variety of required equipment brought in approximately $6 billion to the federal government’s purse that year.

For context, that means the outdoor recreation economy is larger than that of farming or mining. And it’s not that far from the oil and gas industry, either. That market was worth $1.55 trillion in 2024 and is approaching $1.6 trillion this year, according to Towards Chem & Materials’ last report.

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It seems to me that minerals, food and gas are necessary for recreationists to recreate. And we should always be careful to note that the ORR includes soccer balls and gardening tools.

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When the numbers are broken out to focus just on the money spent on public lands and waterways, their scale becomes clear. On public lands alone, the sector generates $128 billion a year. Recreational visitors fork over $72 billion directly to the federal government, with $27 billion spent at national parks, another $12 billion on U.S. Forest Service land and $6.2 on Bureau of Land Management land.

Some of my economist friends might say this shows the BLM needs to build more and/or charge more.

A similar approach of determining the actual monetary value of natural experiences was undertaken by the National Park Service and U.S. Geological Survey in a different study, where researchers determined an actual dollar value for the worth of a bear sighting. It’s more than one would think.

In both cases, when land and wildlife are left alone so Americans can recreate in the myriad ways they like to, they drive an awful lot of revenue for both the public and the private sector.

This is one of those “sounds vaguely plausible” statements.. and yet Americans have been happily recreating alongside oil and gas infrastructure, mining (at least in Colorado),  thinned forests and range allotments.  In real life, it doesn’t seem to be an either/or.

One of the more surprising statistics comes from the U.S. Forest Service. The report found that folks recreating in national forests brings in more revenue to the federal government than the timber industry. Recreation generates and maintains more jobs, too.

“Recreation … support(ed) 161,000 jobs, compared to the combined 103,200 jobs from forest products, livestock grazing, mineral extraction, and energy production,” the report states.

That statement was a tiny bit confusing as I read it it was another study that was done by the FS., but it’s more ORR. Inquiring minds might wonder about comparative pay in the different sectors.

In yearly sightings alone, individual grizzlies are worth $46,000 and individual black bears are worth $15,000. Said another way, the park’s grizzlies and black bears are worth about $10 million and $7 million, respectively, every year.

Enriquez and Richardson based their calculations on information in the Yellowstone Visitor Survey. That data set includes information that suggests travel costs, and also determines how much visitors value and prioritize seeing a bear and whether or not they saw one. Divining those numbers out yielded an accountable figure.

And, in economics terms, bears are great multiple use species, Enriquez explained. They have economic benefits and losses attached to them — similarly to other animals like elephants, moose, and wolves. To understand their value is less clear because, while the damages are easy to quantify in livestock depredation and property damage, the positive impact on tourism and subsequent local economies is less clear.

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“The way people talk about the economic value of lands it always has this really big bend towards ‘We’ve got to take something from it,’” Turner said. “We’re saying, sure, and also, you could just leave it there and build a trail or build a lodge and that’ll bring in revenue for a long time.”

So we have a very active industry… why are they not choosing to voluntarily pay into recreation/trails budgets or lobby for them? Or do they lobby, but what makes them unsuccessful?

Ideas for Improvement of Travel Management: Guest Post by Patrick McKay

This photo is from Onyx Offrpad Miller Jeep Trail in Southern Californai.

First, apologies to Patrick for spelling his name wrong in the title of this piece as was sent out through email.  I fixed it online.

Patrick McKay wrote the below as a comment, but it has enough information for a post, plus he is currently litigating a travel management decision, so we are hearing from the horse’s mouth, or from the motor vehicle’s engine or whatever the analogy would be.  While researching this analogy,  I found an interesting piece on why ATVs are so loud.

Patrick’s piece also raised other questions.  If as Patrick says, and the general feeling I got from being around as the TMR was developed, was to have a standardized national process, then why didn’t it work that way in practice? Also what was the intent of Part A and how does that relate to what Patrick has observed?  Perhaps we need some retirees who were involved at the “intention” stage (2004-ish) and I know some of you are out there.

Also, Bill Avey mentioned in a comment that Citizens for Balanced Use waited to sue on the Helena-Lewis and Clark travel plan.  One idea that the Permitting Reform folks have is to shorted the litigation window, which has been negatively received by ENGOs.  So I’m curious about “why people wait so long to sue” and wonder whether anyone knows the reason in this case.

If I were in the Admin, I’d experiment with a six-pronged approach.  1) each Forest gets feedback on its own travel management, what’s working and what’s not, 2) FS employees are asked what are the problems and what could help, 3) national FACA committee of the usual interest groups reviews what’s rolled up by others and proposes changes (with some folks on the FACA committee chosen for implementation knowledge and skills) 4) internal committee reviews “will this actually work?” issues, 5) a technology sub-group that asks the question “how can current technologies help?” which would include folks from current apps like Onyx, All Trails and so on, and 6) can we harmonize this effort (at least mapping- with BLM)?

My experience with FACA committees on the Roadless Rules and others (as well as the Committee of Scientists)  is that they tend to be heavy on interest group reps and/or academics and sometimes lack implementation experience.  Perhaps a six-pronged approach  would better balance general principles with implementation, as it appears that this is where things went off the rails (or ATV trails). Also the views of the people (employees) carrying out the work tend to not enter the discussion at all, in my experience with NFMA and Roadless rules. This can easily be rectified.

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From Patrick:

I don’t think designated routes and MVUMs are going anywhere, and I doubt the Travel Management Rule will just be straight up repealed, but it will need to be replaced with something that is hopefully simpler and friendlier to motorized recreation.

As someone actively litigating a recent travel plan, it’s astounding how badly the existing TMR has been implemented and how bad the Forest Service is at following its mandates, to the point where I doubt any two forests have ever even used the same procedures in creating a travel plan. Every forest does it completely differently, and even things like the Travel Analysis Process that is supposed to be standardized isn’t, with different forests using widely different criteria and differing definitions of the same criteria (for example, some defining recreational use benefit to include the recreational experience of driving the road itself, while others only consider the destination at the end of the road). A simpler, more standardized process for travel management with clear criteria to consider could benefit everyone.

One thing that most people don’t realize is there are really two different Travel Management Rules rolled into one: the Subpart B route designation process that most people think of as a travel management plan, and the Subpart A minimum road system (MRS) designation that no one seems to know what it’s for, how to do it, or how it is supposed to relate to Subpart B route designations.

Most forests haven’t even tried to designate a MRS, and those that have, have followed totally different procedures and or tried to awkwardly tack it onto Subpart B planning in ways that haven’t held up in court. The Pike San Isabel NF seems to have weirdly conflated designating an MRS with the pre-NEPA Travel Analysis Process, even though FS handbooks explicitly say its supposed to be done through NEPA, which is now a primary issue in our litigation. I would love to see the Subpart A minimum road system section dropped from the TMR entirely, as that section has done nothing but cause confusion and litigation since it was adopted and is redundant with the actual route designations in Subpart B planning.

As for Subpart B planning, the Forest Service’s regulations have the same glaring flaw the BLM’s do — which is that there is no real consideration of motorized recreation benefits required at all. It’s interesting. The preamble to TMR explicitly said, “Motor vehicles are a legitimate and appropriate way for people to enjoy their National Forests—in the right places, and with proper management.” This sentence was supposed to be a compromise that ensured motorized recreation would be evaluated as legitimate multiple use. Yet, in the actual route designation criteria for motorized routes, recreation is almost nowhere to be found:
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(a) General criteria for designation of National Forest System roads, National Forest System trails, and areas on National Forest System lands. In designating National Forest System roads, National Forest System trails, and areas on National Forest System lands for motor vehicle use, the responsible official shall consider effects on National Forest System natural and cultural resources, public safety, provision of recreational opportunities, access needs, conflicts among uses of National Forest System lands, the need for maintenance and administration of roads, trails, and areas that would arise if the uses under consideration are designated; and the availability of resources for that maintenance and administration.

(b) Specific criteria for designation of trails and areas. In addition to the criteria in paragraph (a) of this section, in designating National Forest System trails and areas on National Forest System lands, the responsible official shall consider effects on the following, with the objective of minimizing:

(1) Damage to soil, watershed, vegetation, and other forest resources;
(2) Harassment of wildlife and significant disruption of wildlife habitats;
(3) Conflicts between motor vehicle use and existing or proposed recreational uses of National Forest System lands or neighboring Federal lands; and
(4) Conflicts among different classes of motor vehicle uses of National Forest System lands or neighboring Federal lands.

In addition, the responsible official shall consider:

(5) Compatibility of motor vehicle use with existing conditions in populated areas, taking into account sound, emissions, and other factors.
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While “provision of recreational opportunities” is listed in the general criteria in paragraph a, the specific mandatory criteria in paragraph b are all negative impacts to be “minimized”. Those are the only ones courts have said must be evaluated for each specific route, and the only ones with a required objective. The general criteria (which is the only place positive benefits of roads are listed) must only be “considered”, and there is no mandate to maximize recreational opportunities to balance with minimizing impacts. The focus of travel planning thus becomes solely about minimizing impacts rather than providing recreational opportunities, which is at best an afterthought.

In practice, only the most general analysis of recreational opportunities forest-wide is included in travel planning documents, while every individual route gets a detailed report of its negative impacts. At most, there might be an arbitrary recreational use benefit score assigned to individual routes (defined inconsistently as mentioned above), which the public rarely has any input on, and which is rarely enough to outweigh high scores for negative impacts. This makes closure the default designation and makes it extremely difficult to justify keeping routes open.

While the TMR’s preamble paid lip service to treating motorized recreation as a legitimate multiple use, the actual rule clearly does not, but frames motorized recreation as a second-class use to be tolerated only when it can be affirmatively shown to have minimal negative impacts on anything else. And by allowing motorized recreation only where impacts on non-motorized recreation are minimized, it sets up a clear hierarchy where non-motorized recreation is prioritized and the desired experience of non-motorized users trumps that of motorized users.

I would like to see the TMR amended to actually treat motorized recreation as a legitimate multiple use, giving it equal weight to non-motorized recreation and requiring an individual evaluation of recreational benefits for every route. For any route with at least moderate recreational value, the burden of proof should be on the Forest Service to prove that closure is the only feasible way to mitigate serious specific existing impacts (not just location based risks of impacts like forests usually consider currently). Especially considering most national forests have already been through at least one round of travel planning under the 2005 TMR, the default expectation really should be that every motorized route currently open should remain open permanently unless there is some really strong reason to close it.

How to Improve the Travel Management Rule?

One of the more interesting patterns I’ve observed is that we develop regs to do certain things.. but checking on whether the reg actually does those things, whether the reg works well or works at all, are not part of the design. So we go through periods of disgruntlement (sometimes 30 years or more) and if it adds up to enough, on some unknown scale, we throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. Instead of continual improvement, we have slow degeneration and maybe starting over from scratch.

Here’s what the 2005 Summary says in part the Travel Management rule was intended to do.

The clear identification of roads, trails, and areas for motor vehicle use on each National Forest will enhance management of National Forest System lands; sustain natural resource values through more effective management of motor vehicle use; enhance opportunities for motorized recreation experiences on National Forest System lands; address needs for access to National Forest System lands; and preserve areas of opportunity on each National Forest for nonmotorized travel and experiences.

The Travel Management Rule Highlights According to an old Forest Service link.

  • The rule requires each national forest or ranger district to designate those roads, trails, and areas open to motor vehicles.
  • Designation will include class of vehicle and, if appropriate, time of year for motor vehicle use. A given route, for example, could be designated for use by motorcycles, ATVs, or street-legal vehicles.
  • Once designation is complete, the rule will prohibit motor vehicle use off the designated system or inconsistent with the designations.
  • Designation decisions will be made locally, with public input and in coordination with state, local, and tribal governments.
  • Designations will be shown on a motor vehicle use map. Use inconsistent with the designations will be prohibited

It’s hard to tell from this description exactly what the problems are. I do remember certain Districts getting litigated no matter which decision they made.

Here’s an interesting E&E News story from today.

The Forest Service plans to nullify regulations governing the use of off-highway vehicles on national forests, potentially opening trails to greater use of ATVs after next year. The agency listed the proposed repeal on its latest regulatory update, calling it a response to legal challenges and a part of the Trump administration’s broader government streamlining efforts.

In addition, the Forest Service said, voiding the 20-year-old regulations would support more decision-making at the local level, although the agency didn’t say what might replace the rules if they’re jettisoned.

I’d like to know more about how that would work. Maybe decision makers on forests would have more latitude?

A notice of proposed rulemaking could come by next August, according to the regulatory update. An Agriculture Department spokesperson said existing travel management plans on individual forests would remain, where established.

I wonder how many forests don’t already have them, and how many are in litigation.

“The concept is to reduce duplicative and onerous planning requirements needed to update or establish travel management plans and maps,” USDA said. “It has not yet been determined if and how alternative regulations would be amended.”
Repealing the regulations — called the travel management rule, implemented in 2005 — could satisfy organizations calling for more access to trails and old logging roads for all-terrain vehicles, four-wheelers, snowmobiles and similar recreational vehicles. But motorized ATVs have environmental impacts that spurred the Forest Service to write the regulations in the first place.

It seems to me that there are actually three issues. 1. FS can’t afford to keep all trails open and can’t find sources of funding or volunteers to helpl. 2.  People (horses, bikers, hikers) tend not to like sharing trails with ATV folks,  3. Some ATVers do illegal things, and they are more problematic and obvious than when other users do illegal things, 4. Some people have an anti-ATV bias (aka the pyramid of pristinity).

Note that this quote (and travel management was intended, if I recall correctly) to designate trails and then be able to keep people from going everywhere.  But even then game retrieval was an issue, as in how far off the road can you go with a vehicle to retrieve game?

The management rule calls for forest supervisors to designate which roads or trails on individual national forests are open to off-highway vehicles. The designations are shown on motor vehicle use maps; areas not designated are considered off-limits to the recreational vehicles.

Paper MVUMs are not always easy to use (even for non-motorized users who want to check things)  and I don’t know whether there are better versions or apps or whatever.

Here is one point of view:

Individual forest transportation plans resulting from the rule have sparked litigation, including a 2022 lawsuit by recreational vehicle riders and Citizens for Balanced Use, contending that new restrictions at the Helena National Forest in Montana were too broad. In that case, the organizations said, many areas where motorized vehicles had been allowed for decades were made off-limits. The groups said the Forest Service overlooked the National Environmental Policy Act’s requirement to assess economic and social, as well as environmental, impacts from expelling motorized vehicles. The rule’s critics say it’s had the opposite of the intended effect in parts of Western states, concentrating environmental impacts in the smaller number of places where vehicles were allowed access, while escalating conflicts between the Forest Service and the public.

“The rule has failed its stated purpose and produced widespread unintended consequences,” said Don George, president of Forest Access for All, based in Baker City, Oregon.  The Forest Service already has ample authority through the National Environmental Policy Act, the National Forest Management Act and local forest orders to determine which areas should have vehicle access, said George, whose organization opposes any substitute regulations that would restrict access.

I thought that the TM rule was a national structure for making those decisions, and regardless of the rule FS folks could make any decisions they want.  Hopefully folks on TSW can explain this better.

Here’s another point of view:

Groups promoting greater access to public lands have been fighting the travel management rule for years. But some organizations, including national groups representing the motorcycle and off-highway vehicle industries, say the regulations should be improved — not repealed.

Three organizations — the Motorcycle Industry Council, the Specialty Vehicle Institute of America and the Recreational Off-Highway Vehicle Association — urged the Forest Service in October not to abandon the travel management rule. Instead, they said, officials should leave the basic regulation in place and work on its flaws.

Despite its shortcomings — including shutting access to areas that long had it — they said, the rule has documented many places as open to off-highway vehicles and led to the creation of the first motor vehicle use maps to guide forest visitors.

Repealing the rule, they warned, could roll back “hard-fought gains” that the regulation made possible.

“The Associations believe that travel planning is a critical tool to promote high-quality sustainable recreation for all public land users, mitigate resource damage, and conserve our shared public lands, and ensure benefits for current and future generations,” they said.

And from Rasmussen of Back Country Horsemen:

“We often overlook the fact that, decades ago, there was constant struggle and acrimony among forest visitors when there were few restrictions and few of us had trails designated specifically for our use,” Rasmussen said in an email Monday.

He added, “Some bad actors caused a lot of damage. We don’t want to return to the days when access for motorized trail use was pitted against those who seek a relatively quiet and peaceful forest experience.”

This seems to be a bit of #s 2 and 3. It seems to me that we can agree that motorized vehicles should not be allowed on all trails, nor off-trail.There are fuzzy areas that we should know well by now (e.g. game retrieval) and maybe have solutions that work?

Folks need maps that work well and we need law enforcement. So what are the differences between rule, no rule and improved rule?

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2005 was twenty years ago.  Since then we have apps such that mapping should be a breeze.  And maps and locations are now available on your phone. If cows can use virtual fencing, why not motorized vehicles?  Any vehicle to be used on NFs or BLM could  be required to register (enough to pay for a GPS transmitter).  If a vehicle is off the approved map, it would issue annoying beeping noises and finally cause the vehicle to lock up, or send a message to law enforcement. It seems to me that in this day and age we can do better than restricting the access of good guys based on the behavior of bad guys. Because having the good guys in the woods is a generally good thing.

Speaking of bad guys, I wish this reporter had asked the Angeles LEOs for details on where these gang activities occurred.

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What is Bullying? And What Kinds Occur in the Forest Service?

The Sierra Club example (and the New York Times examples) seemed to be targeted bullying of those with different views, or those who had the same views but didn’t pass some kind of test of acquiescence to enthusiam.  The behavior is often tolerated because the targeters think themselves to be operating from a state of righteousness. It’s kind of the natural result of “ends justify the means” thinking.  Bystanders are probably hoping to get their work done and not get involved.  I don’t know how common that is in the Forest Service.  Lesa Donnelly, who is very experienced with bullying and other misbehavior in the Forest Service has a comment here.

I found this set of definitions, which was helpful.

Identifying workplace bullying

Bullying can be subtle. One helpful way to identify bullying is to consider how others might view what’s happening. This can depend, at least partially, on the circumstances. But if most people would see a specific behavior as unreasonable, it’s generally bullying.

Types of bullying

Bullying behaviors might be:

  • Verbal. This could include mockery, humiliation, jokes, gossip, or other spoken abuse.
  • Intimidating. This might include threats, social exclusion in the workplace, spying, or other invasions of privacy.
  • Related to work performance. Examples include wrongful blame, work sabotage or interference, or stealing or taking credit for ideas.
  • Retaliatory. In some cases, talking about the bullying can lead to accusations of lying, further exclusion, refused promotions, or other retaliation.
  • Institutional. Institutional bullying happens when a workplace accepts, allows, and even encourages bullying to take place. This bullying might include unrealistic production goals, forced overtime, or singling out those who can’t keep up.

Bullying behavior is repeated over time. This sets it apart from harassment, which is often limited to a single instance. Persistent harassment can become bullying, but since harassment refers to actions toward a protected group of people, it’s illegal, unlike bullying.

Early warning signs of bullying can vary:

  • Co-workers might become quiet or leave the room when you walk in, or they might simply ignore you.
  • You might be left out of office culture, such as chitchat, parties, or team lunches.
  • Your supervisor or manager might check on you often or ask you to meet multiple times a week without a clear reason.
  • You may be asked to do new tasks or tasks outside your typical duties without training or help, even when you request it.
  • It may seem like your work is frequently monitored, to the point where you begin to doubt yourself and have difficulty with your regular tasks.
  • You might be asked to do difficult or seemingly pointless tasks and be ridiculed or criticized when you can’t get them done.
  • You may notice a pattern of your documents, files, other work-related items, or personal belongings going missing.

These incidents may seem random at first. If they continue, you may worry something you did caused them and fear you’ll be fired or demoted. Thinking about work, even on your time off, may cause anxiety and dread.

Who gets bullied and who does the bullying?

Anyone can bully others. According to 2017 research from the Workplace Bullying Institute:

  • About 70 percent of bullies are male, and about 30 percent are female.
  • Both male and female bullies are more likely to target women.
  • Sixty-one percent of bullying comes from bosses or supervisors. Thirty-three percent comes from co-workers. The remaining 6 percent occurs when people at lower employment levels bully their supervisors or others above them.
  • Protected groups are bullied more frequently. Only 19 percent of people bullied were white.

Bullying from managers might involve abuse of power, including negative performance reviews that aren’t justified, shouting or threats of firing or demotion, or denying time off or transfer to another department.

People working at the same level often bully through gossip, work sabotage, or criticism. Bullying can occur between people who work closely together, but it also happens across departments.

People who work in different departments may be more likely to bully through email or by spreading rumors.

Lower level employees can bully those working above them. For example, someone might:

  • show continued disrespect to their manager
  • refuse to complete tasks
  • spread rumors about the manager
  • do things to make their manager seem incompetent

According to 2014 research from the Workplace Bullying Institute, people believed that targets of bullying were more likely to be kind, compassionate, cooperative, and agreeable.

Bullying may occur more frequently in work environments that:

  • are stressful or change frequently

  • have heavy workloads

  • have unclear policies about employee behavior

  • have poor employee communication and relationships

  • have more employees who are bored or worried about job security

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Well, now that we’ve got a definition, I have to admit that I have been bullied as well.  And possibly employees would accuse me of bullying them (disagreement about what is appropriate criticism.  Looking back, I owe a great debt to all my supervisors who created environments where that didn’t or couldn’t happen. Then there was a case of “shunning and hoping they retire,” (not me) which was fairly cruel and may fit the bullying definition.  Then there was the person who accused his boss of being racially biased against him when they had a personality conflict (I agree that his boss could be annoying).

I’d also like to give a shout-out to the Civil Rights and Employee Relations folks (and the folks who reviewed my grievance) for helping me get through.  Those folks are truly unsung heroes, and I wonder if it would have been the same if they had not been located in our office.

I’m interested in others’ experiences, and mostly what can be done keep it from happening or stop it.  What can supervisors do? What can coworkers do? What can employees do?

If you would like to share your story and don’t feel comfortable sharing in the comments, you can send to me at sharon at forestpolicypub.com and I can post.

The Recent Travails of the Sierra Club. II. The Problem of Bullying in the Workplace

Here are more thoughts on the Sierra Club story in the New York Times. Forrest Fleischmann raised some interesting points on Bluesky.

Groups of Employees Bullying Others. The guise is almost always “we are the good guys as defined by us” but the undercurrent is a power play.. sort of a “Lord of the Flies” at work. To these kinds of the folks, the ends always justify the means. If you don’t agree with their views of goodness, by definition you are a bad person and should leave the organization. But these dynamics are much broader than just the Sierra Club, in fact, ironically, one of the most widely known stories is from the Times itself.

Remember the “Tom Cotton’s op-ed episode” which led to the resignation of the op-ed page editor (sidenote: Bennett is the brother of Senator Michael Bennett of Colorado)? Bennett wrote about his experience (caution, this piece is depressing) in an article in the Economist.

My fellow editorial and commercial leaders were well aware of how the culture of the institution had changed. As delighted as they were by the Times’s digital transformation they were not blind to the ideological change that came with it. They were unhappy with the bullying and group-think; we often discussed such cultural problems in the weekly meetings of the executive committee, composed of the top editorial and business leaders, including the publisher. Inevitably, these bitch sessions would end with someone saying a version of: “Well, at some point we have to tell them this is what we believe in as a newspaper, and if they don’t like it they should work somewhere else.” It took me a couple of years to realise that this moment was never going to come.

Which is a bit ironic, I think, given that here is the Times calling out what sounds like the same behavior in another organization  (the Sierra Club) including interviews with those bullied. If you remember Bari Weiss’s letter after she left the very same Times..

What rules that remain at The Times are applied with extreme selectivity. If a person’s ideology is in keeping with the new orthodoxy, they and their work remain unscrutinized. Everyone else lives in fear of the digital thunderdome. Online venom is excused so long as it is directed at the proper targets.

It reminds me of Carl Jung’s view of projection, only on an organizational level

“Projection is one of the commonest psychic phenomena…Everything that is unconscious in ourselves we discover in our neighbour, and we treat him accordingly.” (Carl Jung, Archaic Man)

On the other hand, maybe the piece was intended as an internal warning of what can go wrong in a workplace with a bullying culture.

In fact, if we go to Times publisher Sulzberger’s Columbia Journalism Review’s piece (long, and worth reading but not pay-walled)

As a result, minority groups often carry deep skepticism that the same institutions and institutional values that badly served them in the past can now do better and actually capture the breadth of the world they live in. The conversation about those failures has left lingering uncertainty inside newsrooms as to whether those failures should be blamed on lack of representation or on outmoded values that may no longer fit the moment.

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Many journalists from underrepresented groups have stories about being recruited in part because of the different perspectives they bring but, once on board, being told to put aside those perspectives to avoid being dismissed as biased.

Sulzberger’s basic point is that reporters shouldn’t throw out the baby (objectivity) with the bathwater (white male bias) as many argue they should.  Similarly, perhaps the employees of the Sierra Club should focus on the environment, as the Times so clearly points out in its reporting.

It seems like one way of framing both the Times and the Sierra Club experience is a power struggle between the old guard, who wanted diverse-appearing people to think like them, and the new folks, who want to take the old organization in a new directions.  The new directions may or may not be financially supportable.

But back to the bullying. I don’t remember that kind of bullying at the Forest Service.. was that because I happened to work in healthier places? Or because I left before bullying became popular in workplaces for cultural or other reasons? Or because FS first line supervisors somehow managed to shut it down? Or maybe the FS has its own variants of bullying? I’m interested in others’ experiences.

 

House and Senate Hearings Tomorrow: A Plethora of Federal Lands Bills

House:

On Tuesday, December 2, 2025, at 10:15 a.m., in room 1324 Longworth House Office Building, the Committee on Natural Resources, Subcommittee on Federal Lands will hold a legislative hearing on the following bills:

 

  • H.R. 4671 (Rep. Harder), “Ensuring Casualty Assistance for our Firefighters Act”
  • H.R. 4931 (Rep. Murphy of NC), “National Park System Long-Term Lease Investment Act”
  • H.R. 5063 (Rep. Kiggans), “Safe Beaches, Safe Swimmers Act”
  • H.R. 5103 (Rep. McGuire), “Make the District of Columbia Safe and Beautiful Act”
  • H.R. 5254 (Rep. Bell), “Gateway Partnership Act of 2025”

The hearing notice, memo and witness testimony can be found on the committee’s repository here.

Senate:

The hearing will be held on Tuesday, December 2, 2025, at 3:00 p.m. in Room 366 of the Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington, D.C.

The purpose of this hearing is to receive testimony on the following bills:

  • S.90, to prohibit the use of funds by the Secretary of the Interior to finalize and implement certain travel management plans in the State of Utah (Lee);
  • S. 91, to improve Federal activities relating to wildfires, and for other purposes (Cortez Masto);
  • S. 140, to address the forest health crisis on the National Forest System and public lands, and for other purposes (Barrasso);
  • S. 451, to amend the Mineral Leasing Act to eliminate an administrative fee, and for other purposes (Daines);
  • S. 764, to provide for the designation of certain wilderness areas, recreation management areas, and conservation areas in the State of Colorado, and for other purposes (Bennet);
  • S. 790, to redesignate the National Historic Trails Interpretive Center in Casper, Wyoming, as the “Barbara L. Cubin National Historic Trails Interpretive Center” (Lummis);
  • S. 888, to designate certain land administered by the Bureau of Land Management and the Forest Service in the State of Oregon as wilderness and national recreation areas, to withdraw certain land located in Curry County and Josephine County, Oregon, from all forms of entry, appropriation, or disposal under the public land laws, location, entry, and patent under the mining laws, and operation under the mineral leasing and geothermal leasing laws, and for other purposes (Wyden);
  • S. 902, to require the Secretary of Agriculture and the Secretary of the Interior to establish a standard for the response time to wildfire incidents, and for other purposes (Sheehy);
  • S. 945, to amend the Smith River National Recreation Area Act to include certain additions to the Smith River National Recreation Area, to amend the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act to designate certain wild rivers in the State of Oregon, and for other purposes (Merkley);
  • S. 1005, to provide for conservation and economic development in the State of Nevada, and for other purposes (Cortez Masto);
  • S. 1175, to amend section 6903 of title 31, United States Code, to provide for additional population tiers, and for other purposes (Daines);
  • S. 1195, promote conservation, improve public land management, and provide for sensible development in Pershing County, Nevada, and for other purposes (Rosen);
  • S. 1228, to amend the Public Lands Corps Act of 1993 to modify the cost-sharing requirement for conservation projects carried out by a qualified youth or conservation corps, and for other purposes (Risch);
  • S. 1319, to withdraw certain Federal land in the Pecos Watershed area of the State of New Mexico from mineral entry, and for other purposes (Heinrich);
  • S. 1341, to amend the Colorado Wilderness Act of 1993 to add certain land to the Sarvis Creek Wilderness, and for other purposes (Hickenlooper);
  • S. 1321, to amend the Strom Thurmond National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1999 to provide for the transfer of the Moab site to Grand County, Utah, and for other purposes (Curtis);
  • S. 1363, to provide for greater cooperation and coordination between the Federal Government and the governing bodies and community users of land grant-mercedes in New Mexico relating to historical or traditional uses of certain land grant-mercedes on Federal public land, and for other purposes (Luján);
  • S. 1468, to amend the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act to provide that Alexander Creek, Incorporated, is recognized as a Village Corporation under that Act, and for other purposes (Sullivan);
  • S. 1476, to amend the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act to designate certain segments of the Gila River system in the State of New Mexico as components of the National Wild and Scenic Rivers System, to provide for the transfer of administrative jurisdiction over certain Federal land in the State of New Mexico, and for other purposes (Heinrich);
  • S. 1737, to designate and expand wilderness areas in Olympic National Forest in the State of Washington, and to designate certain rivers in Olympic National Forest and Olympic National Park as wild and scenic rivers, and for other purposes (Murray);
  • S. 1860, to direct the Secretary of Agriculture to convey to Brian Head Town, Utah, certain National Forest System land (Lee);
  • S. 2016, to exchange non-Federal land held by the Chugach Alaska Corporation for certain Federal Land in the Chugach Region, and for other purposes (Murkowski);
  • S. 2033, to direct the Comptroller General of the United States to conduct a study on existing programs, rules, and authorities that enable or inhibit wildfire mitigation across land ownership boundaries on Federal and non-Federal land (Gallego);
  • S. 2042, to provide lasting protection for inventoried roadless areas within the National Forest System (Cantwell);
  • S. 2262, to amend the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 to clarify the nature of public involvement for purposes of certain rulemaking, and for other purposes (Barrasso);
  • S. 2273, to amend the Act of July 10, 1890, to modify certain provisions relating to the disposal of public land in the State of Wyoming for educational purposes (Lummis).

The hearing will be webcast live on the Committee’s website, and an archived video will be available shortly after the hearing concludes. Witness testimony will be available on the website at the start of the hearing.

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I haven’t been following these but I did think it of interest (at least to Coloradans) that our two Senators are proposing different bills both with some Wilderness involved. Anyone who is following any of these please comment, and or link to analyses.

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Tree-based pie…American persimmon pie w/ chestnut flour crust & maple whipped cream

Thanksgiving.. the American holiday where people of all traditions extend the hyphae of grace and gratitude to all beings.
While here at TSW, we regularly point out difficulties and issues, there is much to give thanks for.

Here are mine this year:

I’m thankful for Forest Service employees. those currently working, those who retired this year, those who went back through ACES, those who volunteer. I’m grateful to the partners and contractors, particularly those who helped out during the shutdown. If you’re one of those whose work we don’t see (say, lands or minerals) or ones we do see and get much flack (although not from me) like the National Press Team and all FOIA folks, know that you are appreciated.

I’m thankful for the community here at The Smokey Wire and all the information you all (also volunteers) graciously contribute, and for the fact that you have spend time engaging with people with diverse views on issues we all care deeply about. I’m particularly grateful for those who send info from E&E News. I’m thankful for the donations which allow us to have excellent web support (thank you Cloud Nine Web Design) and subscriptions to some outlets.

I’m thankful for all the people who behaved well during the shutdown on federal lands. At the Bristlecone Area on the Inyo, I saw one fellow had put his money in the pay envelope and because the pay envelopes were there but the slot to put them in was taped over.. he just left his sealed envelope in with the other envelopes.

I’m thankful for all volunteers and partners who help with the work of protecting and managing our federal lands.

May you all have a Thanksgiving overflowing with grace and peace and I’ll see you back on Monday.

Wood Bank in Buffalo Wyoming: Cowboy State Daily Story

Volunteers load up a Clear Creek Wood Bank rack that holds one-seventh of a cord. (Courtesy Clear Creek Wood Bank)

The Cowboy State Daily is not paywalled.

“We give you a rack of wood a week and we’ve measured it to be a seventh of a cord,” said Paul Mumm, secretary and treasurer for the Oversized Heart Foundation that runs the wood bank. “I have several people who will get a little over three cords per year … at $250 a cord they’re basically getting about $750 of free firewood.”

And that’s exactly the point for Mumm and co-founders Kelly and Nick Norris, president and vice president of the foundation and Joe Landsiedel, a local logging contractor, who with Kelly Norris first tested the wood bank concept in 2022.

The motto of the wood bank is: “Ensuring no one ever has to choose between heating and eating.”

Kelly Norris, who is also the State Forester for the Wyoming State Forestry Division, said the idea came to her after helping lead the local food bank during the pandemic and seeing needs. She read an article in the Washington Post about a wood bank in Maine or Vermont.

She also knew that locally, people were scrounging for wood.

“I personally had heard stories at that time of people coming and taking wood pallets from local stores just to keep their homes warm during the winter,” she said. “My home at the time, it’s in downtown Buffalo, and we had a fence at the time that was made out of split firewood, and it was getting stolen.

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Landsiedel said in addition to hauling for the wood bank, his company does a lot of hauling of firewood logs for regular customers in the region. He estimates two out of three homes in the area use wood stoves as a primary or supplemental heat source.

“Last year, I hauled over 250 loads of firewood on my log truck,” he said. “That doesn’t include all of the saw logs and everything else we hauled.”

As forester, Norris said there is plenty of wood in the mountains and the wood bank uses logs from managed timber sales or from private forested lands that have forested management plans written by Wyoming State Forestry.

“So, it’s all in very good faith of forest health and it’s looking at the forest in a sustainable manner,” she said. For instance, if a tree is destined for the sawmill, but is found with rot, instead of putting it in a pile to burn, it’s now coming down into Buffalo to be cut into firewood and given away.