What Retirees Are Saying to the New Administration

 

This one’s “Forest Service and Bureau of Management retirees arm in arm with forests and grasslands in background.”

Letters from NAFSR (Forest Service retirees) and PLF (BLM retirees) have been sent to the Transition Team.

Common themes: respect skilled career professionals, keep decisions decentralized, keep appropriate people in DC, wildfire, recreation.

Interesting that BLM asked for help increasing efficiency.

Here’s a link to the NAFSR letter.  It has a long and short version. Here is the short version:

In the attached white paper, we provide more specific thoughts to help guide a solutions-oriented
agenda for your administration in the following areas:
• Maintain the skilled workforce of career professionals, including a career Chief.
• Actively manage our forests and grasslands to help reduce wildfire risks, provide economic and public benefits, and maintain healthy, resilient landscapes and long-term sustainability.
• Support practicable actions to alter our current path of continuing wildfire disasters.
• Provide for the increasing public outdoor recreational demand on National Forest lands, acknowledging its importance as an economic driver for many communities.
• Maintain partnerships with State, Private and Tribal landowners.
• Be mindful of the importance of Forest Service research and its linkage to rural economies and community protection.

Sample from the long version.

Retirements and other factors have led to workforce capacity issues and challenges for the agency. Maintaining expertise is essential for the successful implementation of Congressional and Administration intent and meeting public expectations and needs. We recommend that the Administration involves agency leadership and employees in efforts to streamline processes, and fund and fill the necessary employee gaps that hinder the agency’s ability to provide all-important on-the-ground services that the Congress, the Administration, and the public expect from them.

NAFSR also recommends keeping field decisions as close to the ground (regional and forest level) as possible. Functions in Washington, DC headquarters should appropriately be associated with budget development, establishing policy, coordinating with Congress, the Department, other agencies, and public lands interest groups and organizations.

PLF Letter

They don’t have a short version and a long version, so I am posting all their bullets below. Here’s a link to their letter.

1. Support the BLM Organization – BLM is a very small organization with a very large mission. The agency manages 10% of the lands in the United States with a multiple use mission. The Bureau budget is approximately $1.7 billion annually, however, it deposits $8 billion to the treasury each year from mineral and other receipts. Approximately 30% of the mineral production in the US is located on public lands. The BLM employees are almost entirely located on the ground in State and Field Offices in the western states where the bulk of the public lands are located. These employees can help you accomplish your goals if you seek their input and take advantage of their experience and natural resource knowledge. We respectfully request that you recognize that efforts at reorganizing the agency will expend valuable agency time and staff resources from accomplishing other higher priority land management and resource program goals of the administration.

2. Help the BLM Become More Efficient – Employees of the agency are asked to follow many processes as they accomplish their land use planning, permitting, and management activities. Those processes should be reviewed looking for more efficient timelines and outcomes. Land Use Plans should not take 10 years to develop with all of the cooperators working together. Permitting streamlining should be considered. For example, we believe authorization of an Application for Permit to Drill (APD) should not need to undergo the environmental review process mandated by the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) at three different levels (planning , leasing, and permitting) as is currently the case. Each level becomes very time consuming. We recommend the transition team look at the NEPA requirements, the land use planning process, and the various governing regulations and seek the counsel of senior managers and resource specialists to get their recommendations to improve processes and fine tune the organization to assist in efficient management.

The land use planning process indeed.

3. Maintain and Enhance the Delegation of Authority to the Field Level – BLM is organized with most of the employees located in the 175 State and Field Offices throughout the western states. Most resource management decisions are made and implemented at the State or local level through a delegation of authority. This has proven to be a very efficient model that should be maintained or enhanced. This is signicantly different than most Federal agencies that are located regionally. This field oriented model allows for a more collaborative process resulting in much less controversy. Because the BLM offices are located within western communities, the employees are able to work diligently with local and State Government, interested parties and cooperating agencies to find common ground as the issues are unique based on location. We recommend reviewing the delegation of authority and assuring that it remains robust and well understood. Functions remaining in Washington, D.C. should appropriately be those associated with developing budget, establishing policy, and coordinating activities with Congress, the Department, other agencies, and public land interest groups and organizations.

4. Manage Public Lands for Resiliency to Withstand Wildfire, Invasive Species and Disease – Fire and invasive species are two of the most significant threats to our public land forests and rangelands. These threats do not stop at land ownership boundaries, and are risks to private, State, and Tribal lands in addition to public lands. We suggest the administration convene a broad based working group to establish immediate and long term actions to deal with this crisis.
The National Cohesive Wildland Fire Management Strategy and the unanimously agreed to recommendations of the Wildland Fire Mitigation and Management Council can be used as a base to build upon.

5. Support the Agency in Managing the Exploding Recreation Use on Public Lands – Recreation use on public lands is a significant economic driver in western communities. It comes in the form of hunting, fishing, hiking, biking, camping, off highway driving, etc. The use occurs in developed sites, along trails and waterways, or dispersed across 245 million acres of public lands. We recommend that you evaluate the extensive growth in the recreation program and assist the agency with a strategy that works in collaboration with local communities and results in constructing additional developed sites, securing easements to access landlocked public lands, and staffing and managing the heavily used areas to resolve ongoing resource damage, trash dumping, and sanitation issues. Fifty-seven million people now live within 25 miles of public lands, so this situation is literally in many American’s back yards.

6. Request PLF Assistance and Advice – The PLF supports multiple use management of the public lands under the Federal Land Management and Policy Act of 1976. With hundreds of members (mostly retired BLM employees) located throughout the United States, the PLF has a wealth of knowledge regarding the BLM processes and the lands and resources managed. We are ready and willing to assist the new administration in your successful transition and look forward to hearing from you.

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If your organization has a transitions letter, please share the link below.

44 thoughts on “What Retirees Are Saying to the New Administration”

  1. What a joke. After the Soviet Union fell Republicans began their war on the environment in 1991 substituting a new Green Scare for the old Red Scare and now the Trump Organization wants it all destroyed. The United States Constitution is the finest legal instrument ever created by the human hand but when it was written the Federalists argued for a strong central government with co-equal branches. Today neo-Federalists advocate for a weaker central government with a strong unitary executive.

    The Government Accountability Office documented more than 350 incidents of threats and assaults against federal land management employees during the Obama years but spurred by Donald Trump there have been many more culminating in an attack on the US Capitol. Not just the Bureau of Land Management and Forest Service, the US Fish and Wildlife Service and at least 15 other federal agencies also suffered hits to morale while in the clutches of the Trump Organization.

    A survey conducted by the Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) showed that during the Trump years the BLM was plagued by staff shortages, high turnover and partisan rancor. Civil service will be on the ballot again as those of us who love the Earth fret the possibility that the next executive will not be a Democrat either. Yes, Interior, the US Environmental Protection Agency and US Fish and Wildlife Service are within the Executive Branch and as Commander in Chief the president could simply order elements of the administrative state to stand down.

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  2. At least as far back as 2011 Republicans wanted to gut the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Weather Service so it comes as no surprise the Trump Organization wants to privatize the agencies.

    Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico is part of a network created by NOAA’s Chemical Sciences Laboratory to monitor anthropogenic aerosols in the Earth’s gases of life even as emissions released by oil and gas extraction in the Permian Basin threaten Texas and the other horrible red states on the shores of the Gulf of Mexico. NOAA wants to be able to detect whether Solar Radiation Modification (SRM), sometimes called solar geoengineering or albedo modification, is happening. Sandia is also home to the Plasma Research Facility and is operated by a subsidiary of Honeywell International under contract with the Department of Energy.

    In New Mexico’s Second Congressional District the oil and gas industry operators in the Permian Basin just abandon hundreds of orphan wells leaving the state and feds to do the work to cap them. Some eighty percent of the world’s oil transactions are priced in dollars subject to enforcement actions by the US Securities and Exchange Commission and the Department of Justice. But we all know Texas is a failed state. From wildfires to being the 50th freest state to enriching New Mexico’s cannabis retailers to gas pipeline explosions to hurricanes: the Lone Star State is in turmoil.

    And in Republican counties wildfire season is already threatening those folks again but go ahead and let Bob Zybach blame Democrats.

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    • Larry: Please stop taking weird digs at me with your attempts to put your dumb statements as my doing. I never said — or even thought — anything that stupid and I don’t appreciate your claims that I have. That kind of political nonsense is your bailiwick, not mine. Please stop.

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      • Republicans want a police state, Libertarians want anarchy and Democrats just want a good ol’ fashioned representative democracy with its warts and all. But, if any historian who believes a career criminal with 34 felony convictions knows more about forest management than a former Oregon Speaker of the House, US Representative and current governor knows is a dishonest charlatan.

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  3. With encouragement from Jim Z., I watched the new Hannity interview with Trump. He still insists that we must “clean the floors” to stop the wildfires. He also still clings to the conspiracy theory that Newsom cut off the water sources to firefighters, causing the hydrants to ‘go dry’.

    He claims that Finland’s forests are so much better than ours, because they aren’t flammable. Yeah, their forests are ‘just a little’ farther north than California’s. He continues to think that there is some way to transport endless fresh water from the north to the south. There must be some sort of secret 100 foot diameter water pipe from Canada to LA, eh? Just turn the spigot, eh? OH! I forgot. The Delta Smelt needs 100 million gallons everyday, to gush out of the San Francisco Bay.

    I do recommend that people watch the portion of the interview about forests. Sad.

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    • Larry: you might not know this, but Trump is not a forester. He does seem to have a lot more ability and insight in that arena than your (or our) Governor, but it depends on who he hires to do the job that needs to be listened to. I wouldn’t get medical advice from him, either, but I trust Ben Carson.

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      • I see that Newsom trusts the forestry experts in CalFire, and other State experts (multiple). If you haven’t seen the Trump-Hannity interview, you won’t see that he believes in ridiculous conspiracy theories. He is either ignorant, or lying to all of us. Because of partisan politics.

        Also, do you trust Gabbard, JFKJ, Hegseth and Gaetz?

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        • Larry, California’s public lands are a deadly, polluting, economic mess. Are you saying Newsom is trying to place the blame on his advisors, was ill-advised to trust these people in the first place (and they should be replaced), or that this has something to do with Trump’s conspiracy theories? Oregon’s public forests and rangelands are just as bad, but nobody is accepting any responsibility — at least California is looking for scapegoats this time. Things need to change, and hopefully for the better.

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          • Remember, Newsom has little control over all those Federal lands. Blaming him is partisan politics, not based in actual facts. There is plenty of “active management” in Forests with excess trees and enough funding from Congress. Yes, they do meet their logging targets. Republicans simply don’t like the ‘style’ of “active management” happening, despite the many restrictions and limitations.

            Again, BOTH Parties MUST take most of the blame for the last 50 years of Federal ‘management’. Trump said he would “fix it”. He sure didn’t fix ANYTHING, regarding forests, during his first term. In fact, he abandoned even trying in his last two years.

            There is a ton of blame to go around but, Trump simply doesn’t understand science, at all. He’s….. dumb. Plus, he doesn’t listen to any experts.

            (Additionally, just WHO is going to be doing all this raking he wants to do? He’s rounding up the migrants.)

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            • Larry, I think you’ve gone down the rabbit hole of taking Trump literally as in “raking” not seriously. We could spend the whole next four years on Trump’s misstatements and miss what the Admin is actually doing.

              Last Trump Admin, we had the expert and experienced Jim Hubbard as Undersec. Who knows, Boren might not get confirmed, and his nomination might be chum to distract D sharks, for all we know, to pave the way for a more traditional pick.

              I think there were some useful things done under the Trump Admin, including the EADM process ((although I’m not sure what was implemented).
              But I think the more important question is “what would you do to fix things?”

              Finally, please don’t make generic statements like “Trump is dumb.” and Republicans “don’t like things.” Republicans have diverse views (which they are arguing about in public) and the Trump Admin has adopted people who aren’t Republicans at all. So I don’t think taking potshots at the generic Republican is very helpful to our dialogue- proposing what they should do would be more helpful.

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    • Having not watched the interview, if one interprets “clean the floors” as actions including mechanical treatments and RX fire to reduce horizontal and vertical fuel continuity, would that not reduce wildfire intensity and severity?

      It’s easy to defeat a straw man by evoking images of some unskilled worker literally raking pine straw, but many of our most at-risk forests desperately need a steady diet of surface fire.

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        • As a concerned citizen, I wonder if anyone can ‘decode’ Trump’s new Executive Order. In particular, how will he get Canadian (or Oregon/Washington) water to come to Los Angeles? Thanks.

          “But much more importantly, in California, just to revert to it for a second, millions of gallons of water are waiting to be poured down through, already, the halfpipes that are already built. … And about 20 years ago they turned off the water. And it is the water that comes from the Pacific Northwest, some of it comes out of Canada. And it flows there and it probably has flowed there for a million years and they turned it off and they route it out to the Pacific. And in the meantime, you don’t have water in the hydrants, you don’t have water in the sprinkler systems. … Everyone is trying to figure out, “Why aren’t they turning it back” — they say it’s the delta smelt, it’s a fish. But I find that hard to believe.”

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          • https://globalnews.ca/news/10953225/los-angeles-wildfires-canada-water-trump-claims/

            “The idea that we could send Columbia (River) water specifically to California is preposterous,” said John Wagner, an environmental anthropologist and professor at the University of British Columbia.

            “There’s just no basis in reality for tying the Delta smelt to the fires in L.A.,” said Karrigan Bork, interim director of the Center for Watershed Sciences at the University of California Davis. “There’s absolutely no relationship at all.”

            A president that has no interest in reality is a scary thing.

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          • Never underestimate the power of water as a resource! On one of my districts, we had seven, trans-mountain diversions that brings (present tense) water from the western slope, over and through the Continental Divide, and points east! And that was only one RD….

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            • In another quote, he talks about “unlimited water”, if only he Executive Orders ‘them’ to “open up the valves and pumps”. Whatever happened to “States’ Rights”?

              I remind people that, within California alone, the House can easily be flipped, in 2026. I’ll bet there are a BUNCH of Californians who voted Republican who are pretty angry at the thought of no disaster money. Yes, all those evacuated (Republicans) are still homeless.

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              • Read up on Colorado River Compaq; water (west of the 100th) is first in use/first in priority, and is a private Right. A creek flowing over my land and I can’t use a drop of it! If I file a “water right”, I am junior to anyone who filed earlier in time. Water Law is a strange and dangerous slope in the West! Most Rights on the Arkansas in Colorado are at least before 1900! It is over appropriated, meaning they ain’t enough water for the Rights filed, same as the Colorado!

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                  • If you have a beneficial use that is concurrent with its present use. Otherwise, you’ll be in Court on a “change of use” docket; Colorado Law.

                    We had/have one 1883, 5 cfs valued at 4 million per year! You gotta pay to play…..

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                    • Soooo……. You’re OK with the reason for the new Executive Order, to give the LA Basin more water to fight the fires? (Remember, their reservoir levels are never full at this time of year, so they can cope with excess winter runoff. They are at “normal levels”, as per the water experts)

              • Do not forget that certain Northern California Republican politicians, both state and federal level, base a huge part of their campaigns on “Keeping water in the north, and not giving it to the south/LA” (looking mostly at LaMalfa, but there are others as well).
                Hell, LaMalfa literally campaigns year after year (in-between refusing to ever debate his D opponents) on the slogan “Water. Jobs. Liberty”, of which one is not his strongpoint, one he has not ever helped with, and one he has no control over (work backwards and one can figure it out).

                So, is it “We’re gonna send all the water south to LA” at the anger and angst of the reddest parts of CA?
                Or are we going to keep it all in the north to subsidize big ag (like LaMalfa’s copious corporate rice fields?) (https://krcrtv.com/news/local/congressman-lamalfa-received-over-14-million-in-federal-farm-subsidies-from-1995-2021)

                Reality is, the non-forest management related LA fires are already being used as a pawn in water wards in CA, between a Presidents rants, and Northern California big ag that already gets a massive share of all the water, for use (mostly) via antiquated inefficient irrigation.

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                • If someone could ‘Seinfeld-ize’ this situation, this would be a hilarious sitcom. How can such an Executive Order be written to make Canadian water available to the LA Basin? Can he specify which valves and which pumps MUST be re-opened? Where did those Oregon “halfpipes” go? Is there an underground river? Who punched that hole in the Cascades? There’s unlimited water in the Pacific Ocean! It would get better ratings than “The Apprentice”.

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                  • Update: From Trump

                    “The United States Military just entered the Great State of California and, under Emergency Powers, TURNED ON THE WATER flowing abundantly from the Pacific Northwest and beyond. The days of putting a Fake Environmental argument over the PEOPLE, are OVER. Enjoy the water, California!!!”

                    California water officials say that some pumps have been down for maintenance for three days, and were turned back on. The military did not make an appearance.

                    Again, it is clearly impossible for ANY Columbia River water to be diverted, pumped or ‘allowed’ to flow south to California. There’s this lovely green State, and it is called….. “Oregon”, Donnie.

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                    • And it doesn’t matter to Trump that there is no existing infrastructure to get water from the Pacific Northwest to southern California. (Maybe he can expedite the NEPA for that?)

                    • Just waiting for the “They removed the dams on the Klamath River and that caused the LA Fires!”.
                      Cause that water surely ever went to SoCal….just waiting for Bobby Z to make that statement.

  4. No mention of our federal forests as climate solutions, e.g., conserve forests to store carbon and avoid emissions. Wildlife is mentioned in the context of active management for a “variety of successional stages” which can be interpreted to mean logging for early seral to promote big game and turkeys, not mature and old-growth forests for the many threatened & endangered species that live in them. Also, not a single mention of forests as sources of clean cold water. Wow!

    Very telling. These retirees are out-of-touch on some important issues.

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    • Second law, just how much do you want to read? First of all, may as well as move on from the climate change distraction. Until the wildfire situation is successfully mitigated, most of the concerns you list will still be in danger. As for emissions, total emissions since 2007 have fallen 15% in the US (c2es.org)! Carbon dioxide has fallen 13% since 2010 (stassta.com), so let’s set that puppy aside for a minute. China is still blowing and going but I doubt anyone can do anything about that.

      Water? The protections in place for mechanical treatments in national forest system lands is certainly sufficient to keep clean flowing water. Same for T&E species. However, wildfire “roasts” both of these resources, and totally disrupts their normal life cycle. The continuation of prescribed fire, and not letting wildfires burn for benefit, needs to be carried forward.

      Old-growth is protected through Forest Plans and individual treatment proposals through EA’s and/or EIS. Truth be told, large trees are normally frowned upon by industry because they have geared their industries to smaller timber. There are a few exceptions; large log mills within this country, but I don’t know of one specifically.

      So, with limited capacity for most folks to read and comprehend anything more than bullet points, or short summaries, those retirees pretty much nailed that proverbial nail on its head!

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      • SPI has several ‘big log’ mills. One in Standard, near Sonora. One in Lincoln, near Marysville. I’m quite sure there are one or two more of SPI’s in northern California. The one mill in all of southern California takes larger logs, too.

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        • Larry, the IUS contains more states than California! You cut very little timber, compared to other Regions, but spend the most $ of all the Regions – used to anyway, I doubt that’s changed. The mills in the East, South, Rockies and Intermountain are mainly geared to smaller timber. The new “automatic” mills such as HewSaw and CurveSaw can’t take anything over 22” on the big end.

          I know California is a mess, but a lot of that is their own doing!

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          • Would you have rather seen the California Spotted Owl on the Endangered Species List, instead? (Because that was where it was going if the clearcutting and overstory removal continued) The 30 inch diameter limit and banning clearcuts seems to give CASPO more protection than the NSO. Ironic, isn’t it?

            There has been plenty of commercial thinning in the Sierra Nevada National Forests since 1993, with minimal litigation (except for those 4 years of a 20″ diameter limit). Success should not be measured in board feet, with those diameter limits.

            SPI keeps their big log mills, because they have so much land. There are still big trees on some of their huge acreages. At the same time, those mills can also take advantage of the large logs in salvage sales. It’s not the most efficient way to run a milling business but, SPI seems to make it work, for them. It’s good to have a monopoly, from their perspective.

            There are almost 48 million acres of Federal land in California, where the State has little influence (other than no-burn days).

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            • Still yet, FS in California is a big money sink, with little active management! If they don’t start treating their fuels this President will not be happy. And, I believe we are talking federal lands. Add State and NIPL and the South blows everyone away!

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              • When was the last time you were in California on a National Forest? There is intensive thinning, Rx fire, and hand piling done all over, particularly in northern CA in Region 5.

                National Forests in CA are a mess mainly due to historic forestry that impacted them; coupled with intensive fire exclusion. Add in private industrial timberlands that act as a blowtorch into public lands, then yes, it is a mess, but one being fixed.

                There are outliers, influenced entirely by extreme wind events (and not LA), but otherwise, a lot of effort is being made. Take a look at RAVG or MTBS data on wildfires on public lands that occur outside of the extreme wind events (during extreme droughts no less!) in the state. Lots and lots of low and low-moderate severity wildfire.

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              • Since they have been meeting their targets, not losing in court and getting acres treated, what is the problem with the money? The owl decisions were made, and the fuels ARE getting treated. I call that a win-win situation. Like I’ve said before, some people just don’t like the ‘style’ of the legitimate “active management” that IS being done. The sheer amount of stems being harvested is mind-boggling, but the average cut tree diameter is less than 15 inches. PLUS, I’ve been always been VERY aggressive at taking out 28 inch white firs, whenever I could justify it, under the marking guidelines. Success isn’t measured by board feet, around here. Soon, I’ll be showing people here that success, through aerial photos, in a new posting.

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                • I’m using “USFS Cut and Sold Report”; it’s been a mess in Region 5 for decades! Good for you that treatments are occurring on the ground in brush and younger/smaller trees, but the waste that is Region 5 has hurt the other Regions for years!

                  At one time, your travel budget was more than the rest of the Regions – combined! Not looking it up now because I don’t care. Many homes lost, however, had nothing to do with forest management, the fuel for the fire, as one commenter has stated, was the actual homes themselves. Some were 1 foot apart, some 10’ apart; they (Cali) need to fix their own, self-made issues!

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                  • Republican hatred of all that is California will lose the House for you. You’re perfectly willing to throw so many residents under the bus, INCLUDING other Republicans, who have lost everything. The backlash will be “beautiful”, here in California. Could we see another impeachment for Donnie’s collection?!??

                    Regarding the travel budget, maybe you forgot that TEAMS Enterprise was part of Region 5, and we were ALWAYS in travel status. Would you care to subtract those travel costs, as we traveled all around the country, doing work for the local Forests.

                    Again (ad nauseum), can you tell us why the timber volume actually means anything, here in California? Anything at all?!?? We have evolved beyond that juvenile attitude. There is no benefit to the Forests to exceed their volume goals by any large amount. I’m sure there is a way to see how many 12″ diameter trees need to be cut to make a million board feet.

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                    • Exceed? Maybe harvest up to mortality! As for non-commercial treatments, I’m right there with you; I don’t have access to FACTS, and the “acres counted’ are inflated up to four times, thanks to Congressional meddling…. Maybe you can point me to actual fuels treatments in Region 5, counting them only once?

                      I’m not throwing Cali under the bus, just poor leadership drug a great State down! It can and will improve, will just take time and hard choices…..

                      Ya’ll need a Republican governor, like Reagan for a change….🤣🤣

          • Have you ever done a Region specific cost analysis for number of states represented by a Region, versus overall dollars to a Region? Both when as an active employee, and when retired on the backs of tax payers to make such statements?

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            • Hi Anon: My name isn’t “Bobby Z,” but if you keep wanting to call me out with your stupid trolling, you’ve succeeded again. What a cowardly a-hole you continue to prove yourself to be. Your Mom must be proud. Total loser.

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              • For the record, Bobby Z, my mother, who was an extremely talented and well accomplished scientist and forester, would vehemently oppose your opinions and statements, and eviscerate them more so than I would.
                Note, no one answered the question I posed, that you felt the need to respond to.

                Rent Free, Bob. Rent. Free.

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                • No worries. Preparation H works and no rental fees involved. I have no more faith or belief in your phony claims about your mother than I do about yourself as a self-proclaimed “scientist.” The response was to your continued childish name-calling from the safety of your hidey-hole (above) and no one answered your question or responded because it was stupid. Like always. And no worries — I spend zero time thinking about fake identities and only respond to your nonsense here as a hopeful deterrent to other trolls who might enjoy cowardly public attacks on real people. Nitwits like you are the exact reason that I think anonymous trolls should be extricated from discussions and forums such as this. Nothing to offer, except idiot insults, dumb questions, and no content or coherent comments. Documented losers needing recognition, no matter how feeble, fleeting, or cost in personal credibility and self-esteem. Get a (real) life remains my best advice.

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                  • Sorry you feel that way Bob. I’ve provided links to plenty of highly credible peer reviewed scientific articles here in discussion, that go beyond opinion and feelings and insular case studies that conform to an agenda.

                    Sorry you have decided to denigrate my mother as well, as well as the education I have and she had; it is why I do not put a lot of faith in your skills as a scientist, or your PhD. You have actively used your platform to denigrate anyone else who is a scientist that does not conform to your agenda. Jerry Franklin alone has been the target of your ire over and over, yet he has contributed far, far more to forestry than you seem to have (and probably benefited financially far less).
                    You’ve never really shown much here or in the real world, beyond just telling people that you have a PhD, or linking to angry rants in psuedo-VFW halls.

                    Since you like to call me a loser, I would like to point out that you seem like a very, very angry sad old man. It’s unfortunate. Recently on a post you felt a strong need to point out that you were a “white male” who went back to school. Why does that matter?

                    By the way, my question was not stupid. It is pretty valid given the comments of yourself and others recently.

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                    • For the record, and my name is indeed, Bob, not “Bobby Z” — I did not “denigrate your mother.” I just called you out again on your insulting fabrications and projections. You just happened to insert your mother and her supposed accomplishments and theoretical actions into your insults. So-called academic achievements have zero value when no name is attached, mother or child.

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