Exploring Views on Managed Fire or Fire With Benefits or Whatever. I. How Much “Treatment” Is “Needed”? To What End?

 

I think this is the Buffalo Creek Fire from about 30 years ago. Historic? Perhaps. Good for tree cover? Not so much. Not a Fire Managed for Resource Benefits. My photo.

Let’s talk about MF separately.

For now, I am going to call wildfire managed for resource benefits “managed fire” or MF.  I can’t keep track of what it’s supposed to be called.  I think it was the Wildfire Commission who thought that prescribed fire (PF) and MF should be combined into BF or beneficial fire.   I think that’s not a good idea because they are different in many ways.

If, in fact,  MF is of concern to diverse kinds of people from Sarah Hyden to Frank Carroll, and even Jon and I agree about the need for some kind of environmental analysis (which some forests have) and even plan amendments (!), then I think we need to single out MF for discussion.   As far as I can tell, there are three main camps on MF.

1. Everything is fine.

2. Folks should be able to use it, but we need some kind of pre-planning with analysis and public involvement. We’re not there yet. Let’s talk.

3. Never use MF

Many folks I talk to are in 2 somewhere, and yet somehow there is much discussion between 1 and 3.  So this week, at least until bigger news appears, I thought we might dive deeper into some of the arguments and further see where we agree and disagree.

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 1. How Much Treatment Do “We Need”? Restoration and Changing Fire Behavior Are Not Always the Same Thing

Here’s how one argument seems to go… “we’ll never achieve what “we need to do” with only PF (prescribed fire) and MT (mechanical treatment).”  To me, that first raises questions of  “what is it we really need to do and why?”  There are at least two schools of thought.  One is where fuels practitioners and suppression folks are describing what conditions need to exist where, so that suppression folks can protect key communities and wildlife and watershed values, what we might call “PODs’n’more.”  The other is a more historic ecological view of returning fire to some conditions of sometime in the past, more or less everywhere.  You can see that the latter would cover many more acres than the former. So perhaps, before we decide if PF and MT can fill the bill, we should agree on what “we need.”

Back in 2021, I wrote about these two approaches. The below is from the Defenders of Wildlife letter on Climate Smart Forestry (remember USDA asked for comments).  I call this one “departure first.”

Defenders of Wildlife (Defenders) state in their letter[2] “Rather than characterizing wildfire management as a matter solely of risk reduction, we recommend that a USDA climate-smart policy be based upon the bedrock principles of the Cohesive Strategy and seek to maintain and restore the ecological integrity of fire adapted landscapes; develop fire adapted human communities; and improve effective wildfire response.”

The Cohesive Strategy (2014)[3] never uses those words; the actual wording is: “Landscapes across all jurisdictions are resilient to fire-related disturbances in accordance with management objectives.” (p.3.) A search of the document did not yield the term “integrity.”

Now as you all know, I am a fan of using the term “resilience,” and not so much “integrity”, so I won’t further belabor the point.

Defenders later recommend (p. 17): “Develop planning and decision-making structures and processes that ensure that the highest priority areas within mixed ownership landscapes are addressed first; this would include areas around communities as well as areas that are most degraded and departed from desired reference conditions. “

Meanwhile EDF  what I call the “safety first” approach.

“Our national wildfire strategy should have two priorities: 1) Protect communities in the line of fire; and 2) Reestablish natural fire patterns to protect ecosystem values and sustainably manage fuel loads. Reestablishing natural fire regimes can only be realized when fuel loads, particularly in the West, are greatly reduced using both mechanical treatments and prescribed and managed fire. Implementation will require an updated wildfire triage approach to ensure that we address the most pressing threats to communities and human lives, first.”

My suspicion is that the difference in prioritization never became an issue because priorities in a limited-budget world will always be driven by the need for PODs and community protection.

In her comment here, Susan Jane linked to some scientific papers on the “fire deficit.” At the risk of being even more heretical than usual, I would argue that there is no such thing as a fire-dependent ecosystem.  There are certainly fire-adapted species.. and maybe even fire-dependent species.  I just spent last week reviewing the reestablishment of tree species after glaciation, and it’s easy to think that there is no “ecologically appropriate” vegetation mix other than what happens to survive at any particular space and time (that is the difference between thinking of “ecosystems” versus “current species assemblages”).  Yes, for example, on some soil types true firs or Douglas-fir will grow in and compete with ponderosas that are more fire-resistant, and provide ladder fuels, and later die from budworm or root disease and all those things.  And PF could take care of that, at least after initial MT.  But MF could also kill the pines. From the first paper she cites:

There has been long-standing interest in the scientific community if, and to what degree, contemporary fire regimes are departed from historical reference conditions in terms of fire frequency or annual area burned.

From the abstract of this paper:

We then quantified the degree of fire deficit or surplus for all areas of the western US as the difference between expected (as predicted with the model) and observed area burned from 1984 to 2012. Results indicate that many forested areas in the western US experienced a fire deficit from 1984 to 2012, likely due to fire exclusion by human activities. We also found that large expanses of non-forested regions experienced a fire surplus, presumably due to introduced annual grasses and the prevalence of anthropogenic ignitions. The heterogeneity in patterns of fire deficit and surplus among ecoregions emphasizes fundamentally different ecosystem sensitivities to human influences and suggests that large-scale adaptation and mitigation strategies will be necessary in order to restore and maintain resilient, healthy, and naturally functioning ecosystems.

And finally from a 2018 paper,

Although disturbance legacies contribute to local-scale intensity of drought stress, fire deficits have reduced drought resistance of mixed-conifer forests and made them more susceptible to challenges by pests and pathogens and other disturbances.

Although we used different terminology (true firs came in, and without fire, compete with ponderosas) we actually knew that back in the day (80’s).

It’s kind of a strange way to think about wildfire.. that we want to reestablish “historical reference conditions”.. again, it’s unclear as to whether those conditions are useful information, or have become a target (much like HRV).  I can imagine another study that looks at historic conditions and finds that we also have a bison deficit, or a housing surplus,  or a soybean surplus, or even a Euroamerican surplus and a Native American deficit compared to historic conditions.  And we would say “that’s obvious, so what?”  What if we gave up the idea of historic conditions, and substituted “getting rid of undesirable conditions.” We’d have to articulate why it was undesirable, how much it costs to fix, if it is even possible to fix,  and maybe have a public discussion about different possible goals and values and the likelihood of achieving them.

And studies like this suggest that even if we set HRV as a target, replicating the past would be difficult  or impossible to achieve, and it kind of elides “what was” with “what should be” if we’re not very careful.  Which leaves out the role of climate change as well as other obvious changes since whatever time period is chosen..

historical fire return intervals were longer (20–50+ years) and more heterogeneous with patches (10–100 ha) of stand-replacing and moderate-severity fire (where fire reduces the basal area or canopy cover 20–70%) (Brown et al., 1999, Schoennagel et al., 2011, Sherriff et al., 2014).

If our goal is keeping living trees on the landscape (with some openings and regeneration), we might be careful with stands and use PF (with or without MT as needed) according to prescription.  MF seems like it could be a bit of a bludgeon comparatively,  without some kind of analysis or prescription.  And maybe that happens during the fire- that certain areas have been targeted through some process for certain intensities of fires and the MFs are managed that way-  but needs to be made more transparent.

I remember my old boss, Fred Norbury, then EMC Director, on a field trip on the PSICC somewhere along the Platte River, probably 20 years ago.  Looking at a prescribed fire project (standard MT followed by PF underburning), we were told that PF would need to be redone every 20 years.  You could see the dollar signs in Fred’s eyes.. “you think we can afford to do that on all these acres?” And perhaps the “target” and the “priority” questions are still open.

 

4 thoughts on “Exploring Views on Managed Fire or Fire With Benefits or Whatever. I. How Much “Treatment” Is “Needed”? To What End?”

  1. Personally, I am in category 2 lite, meaning there should be some broad level of planning, like desired conditions for roadless and wilderness areas and maybe basic conditions when use of managed fire is appropriate. Then WFDSS, or the next generation of WFDSS, is used to assist with go/no go decision making for managing a natural start fire. I want to add that I am in category 2 lite for the area where I live and it may not be appropriate on other national forests.

    The Rio Grande NF which I currently live by and worked on for 38 of my 41 year USFS career is high elevation forest. There are bands of pinyon-juniper, ponderosa pine and mixed conifer, but 41% is in the subalpine spruce-fir zone (31% spruce-fir cover type). Studies done on the forest indicate a 35-85 year fire return interval in the mixed conifer and a 200+ year return interval in the spruce-fir forests.

    The quote from the 2018 paper mentioned above about fire deficit related drought stress in mixed conifer seems to be playing out on parts of the Rio Grande NF right now as a one-two hit from spruce budworm and Douglas fir beetle is naturally thinning the forest in a big way. I was personally involved with suppressing several small fires in this zone. What if we had managed some of those fires instead?

    The spruce-fir zone is a mosaic of subalpine meadows, aspen and spruce-fir forests that provides habitat for a diversity of life. Lightning starts fires in this zone every year that if left alone won’t grow much larger than five acres due to monsoon moisture. But, during drought years, like 2013, large fires can burn thousands of acres at moderate to high severity creating type conversions that can last centuries. For example, the 1850s were a particularly dry decade and some of our large aspen stands are from that time period. There are also large aspen stands from the 1890s when there were some dry years and many human starts from miners and sheepherders.

    Fifty percent of the Rio Grande NF is in roadless and designated wilderness. Managed fire seems to be the perfect tool to manage these areas for the desired conditions spelled out in the forest plan which are purposely general because the ebb and flow of natural variation in these areas over the centuries would be hard to pin down.

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      • Decker occurred after I retired and moved to the Creede area, so I wasn’t as tuned in to it. Based on the map, it would have been Rio Grande and San Isabel NFs. Sand Dunes National Park is a little further south. It looks like a classic Sangre de Cristo fire (in Colorado, New Mexico is a different story) where it burns one or two drainages and then is done. I have just a hazy memory of this fire.

        Public and local government education and information is super important before, during and after managed fires. I had a biweekly column in two local newspapers and was frequently on two local radio stations. I also spoke at county commissioner meetings in every county within the San Luis Valley at least a few times a year. These information sharing methods were more relaxed and not nearly as stiff as a news release.

        In hindsight, there is an important piece missing from our program: there needs to be a system to get free, quality air filters to low income households. Smoke is a big issue with fires and it is challenging to get public support when it comes from a managed fire.

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  2. As a former burn boss, Technical Specialist on Rx burns and approver/Agency Administrator I can tell you this discussion depends! 🤣. It depends on Region, which is a reflection of species/plant communities/habitat type and public awareness of fire – all kinds.

    Just as Mike, I’m a soft 2 most of the time. It really depends on what fire-adaptive system you are trying to mimic. Burning in eastern Oregon under the ponderosa and dry site Doug fir, you could do a lot with h Rx fire. But even there, MF was very tricky. Colorado is the same as Eastside PP and DF. True first and lodgepole don’t do well under Rx or MF – just too many physiological differences in their structure.

    Regions 8 and 9 are pretty much on there on, having Rx fire for the past 60+ years. But even there, intermingled (Weeks Act) inholdings are problematic for MF, and I never saw it used to any great extent, just too many folks and cabins and peeps in the woods!

    Region 3 is similar to eastern Oregon/Colorado where the ponderosa is pretty forgiving if the fuel loading is low. MF? I’ve called it that a few times, but really saw very little benefit in MF except for cleaning up old burn scars. Even that, most of the time, they escaped outside “the box”.

    In Region 8, we were doing growing season and dormant season burning. A relatively new (?) Forest Plan called for growing season burns, but they were pretty contrary on HYSPLIT dispersion runs, and they normally knocked all the needles off pine trees. Just too much heat for those still, humid days.

    The A-S had a new Plan signed in 2015, I believe. I got it o signature stage but left before the ink was laid. It was Objected on several fronts, but we did have a goal of identifying and using MF on the landscape, but I think only in the ponderosa.

    So let’s be honest, MF is a “bull in a china shop” as results go. Don’t even go there in some places/some species! Where it can be used, it certainly needs an “all hands” assessment on the impacts, probabilities of success and values at risk!

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