Here are my thoughts based on what I read in the post and the comments, both things are true:
A. We want some places with less direct human influence- “don’t do stuff where you don’t have to.”
B. How exactly that manifests (is expressed) will never be straightforward. It will always be political in terms of designation, and influenced by staff and externals. Some users and uses will be allowed and others not, and some decisions at different levels will appear to be fairly random.
So perhaps we are always going to talk past each other if one side leads from the idea (A) , and the other from (B) “as the idea plays out in the world.” Unlike the clip from Fiddler on the Roof above, I think in this case, both sides are right.
Or you could say Wilderness is like Roadless. but with much better articulated philosophical underpinnings, and much better, and longer term, marketing.
Since this is a religious time of year for the Jewish and Christian traditions, I thought I’d weigh in on what people might mean when they say “religious” in the context of Wilderness (that is, Wilderness on federal lands). Anyone who uses that terminology (as well as others) are welcome to weigh in.
By “religious” people could mean:
1. Adherence to unprovable beliefs. I don’t think that this is particularly relevant, as I think most of us would agree with this statement of Anonymous:
The crux is not managed versus unmanaged or manipulated versus non-manipulated, not really. Granting that these terms are ready to hand and often useful shorthand, more precisely the wilderness act is as you say, that is an aspiration towards a type of human nonintervention in order to obtain goods that more typical and intensive forms of human intervention would render unobtainable. Aspirational doesn’t mean unreal – many realities begin in just that, human aspiration.
As a inherently picky person about words, I’d only add “services” to “goods” in his statement. I really like Anonymous’ use of the word “aspirational”. Fire suppression, jets flying above, pollution, grazing, trails, bridges and the host of other interventions that do take place, in my view are different expressions of that aspiration. Even the idea, that I think we heard before, that NPS has different expressions (e.g. chainsaws) than the FS.
Norm’s comment, it seems to me, says basically the same thing, that the expressions of that aspiration sometimes don’t seem like they follow a logical course. But of course, being aspirations, we wouldn’t expect them to. Perhaps this is a bottom-up (“what I see as OK vs. not OK doesn’t make sense”) vs. top-down (the aspirational part) approach to the question. As Norm stated:
But the difficulty is that there is no true condition of non-manipulation left to choose. To say that Wilderness should simply be left alone is, at this point, more aspiration than reality. Human beings are already in the system. If people are permitted to enter wilderness, they inevitably alter natural processes. They stock lakes and streams, introduce exotic plants and animals, and reshape fire regimes directly or indirectly. Wildfire itself complicates the ideal of “letting nature take its course.” If a fire begins inside Wilderness and spreads into the wildland-urban interface, intervention suddenly becomes necessary. If a fire begins outside Wilderness and burns inward, is it still “natural,” or has it already been shaped by human land use, suppression history, and climate effects?
The choice, then, is not between management and non-management. It is between different forms of human management, each with consequences. Wilderness may be described as unmanipulated, but in practice its boundaries, permitted uses, and protection are already products of human judgment. The Act itself was passed for human purposes—for what we value, preserve, and wish to pass on to future generations. The question is not whether humans will manage Wilderness, but how honestly we acknowledge that we already do.
2. The existence of a priesthood that governs these expressions- and these priests have all the power to determine their application. Having good goals is and has always been frequently used to gain power. Think Europe’s religious wars which led to the promotion of religious tolerance in the founding of the US. Maybe you have not witnessed this, but decisions of this group are sometimes questioned by agency peers and outfitters (of course, they are regulating outfitters so some tension is necessary and appropriate). There is even a pejorative expression for some wilderness employees related to this which I won’t repeat here.
3. The tension between aspiration and on-the-ground practice has long been noted by… religious people such as Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274):
Although there is necessity in the general principles, the more we descend to matters of detail, the more frequently we encounter defects… In matters of action, truth or practical rectitude is not the same for all, as to matters of detail, but only as to the general principles; and where there is the same rectitude in matters of detail, it is not equally known to all… The principle will be found to fail, according as we descend further into detail.
4. Or perhaps religious figures make judgments that do not fit all situations, nor as time changes the world. I think that may be what people mean by “scriptural.” Or they may not seem to make sense or seem relatively trivial (think of food laws in Leviticus). For example, there was a certain event that went through Wilderness which taken in total had more than 20 heartbeats (or whatever the number is).. the Wilderness folks decided to have clumps of 20 separated by some distance. It could be argued that it would be less of an impact on others to let them all go through in a clump and be done with them. Who knows?
Then there are matters of interpretation Here is what Wilderness Connect says about wildfire:
Lightning-caused fires are sometimes allowed to burn in wilderness and thus to allow fire to play its natural ecological role. These fires are managed to reduce, to an acceptable level, the risks and consequences of catastrophic wildfire and of fire escaping from the wilderness. In order to let naturally-ignited fires burn in wilderness, there must be an approved fire management plan, and the fire must meet and remain within established criteria.
Prescribed fires, those ignited on purpose by qualified personnel, may be used to reduce fuel buildups within wilderness, when approved in fire management plans. These plans detail fire goals for the area, historic fire occurrence, the natural role of fire, expected fire behavior, appropriate fire suppression actions and techniques (ex. dropping water or retardant from airplanes), smoke management, and possible effects on adjacent landowners and wilderness visitors.
Most fires are detected from aircraft overflights and lookouts located outside the wilderness boundary, although some lookouts are maintained within wilderness. Fire suppression crews protect natural and cultural features, such as historic cabins, by using suppression tactics that minimize the lasting evidence of suppression actions. Motorized equipment is used only when essential, water is used instead of fire retardants, when possible. Watershed restoration in burned areas is allowed where conditions cause unnatural resource loss or threaten life or property outside wilderness.
5. Or a kind of preachy tone when talking about it. This is harder to describe but can be offputting and may remind people of (some) religious institutions. An example is when preachy people talk about other people need to be more humble.
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For me the whole climate-humans-wildfire-natural thing was confusing until I read this in a Wilderness Watch response to comments, which I think articulated a position very well (page 6).
Lucas (1973, p. 151) stated, “If ecological processes operate essentially uncontrolled within the Wilderness frame of reference, the results, whatever they might be, are desirable by definition. The object is not to stop change, nor to recreate conditions as of some arbitrary historical date, nor to strive for favorable change in big game populations or in scenic vistas. The object is to let nature ‘roll the dice’ and accept the results with interest and scientific curiosity.”
It seems to me, though, that wildfire necessitates deciding what is “rolling the dice” and what is not. If a fire starts in a Wilderness area or is moving into on. the only reason to stop it would be risk of undesirable wildfire effects as it moves out of Wilderness, which I think is more or less current policy, and has been. But if our wilderness areas are intended to be reference conditions, why would we need more? Those don’t seem to be the arguments politicians use when they argue for more acres to be included. so I’m still a bit confused.
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And of course, Wilderness designations are (very) political. Hence the very non-dogmatic set of nonconforming uses when Congress designates Wilderness. These were summarized in a 2022 CRS report.
Nonconforming Uses or Conditions7
Lands do not have to be untouched by humans to be eligible for statutory designation as wilderness. Specific statutes designating wilderness areas may terminate or accommodate any existing uses or conditions that do not conform to wilderness standards (commonly referred to as nonconforming uses). Many previous wilderness designations have directed immediate termination of nonconforming uses, whereas other bills have directed the agencies to remove, remediate, or restore nonconforming conditions or infrastructure within a specified time frame.
Alternatively, many nonconforming uses and conditions have been permitted to remain in designated wilderness areas. The Wilderness Act explicitly allows continued motorized access by aircraft and motorboats in areas where such uses were already established. The Wilderness Act also permits motorized access for management requirements and emergencies, and for fire, insect, and disease control. Numerous wilderness statutes have permitted existing infrastructure (e.g., cabins, water resource facilities, telecommunications equipment) to remain and have authorized occasional motorized access to operate, maintain, and replace the infrastructure. A few statutes have also allowed new infrastructure developments within designated wilderness areas. Although such authorizations are usually for a specific area, some statutes have provided more general exemptions, such as for maintaining grazing facilities or for fish and wildlife management by a state agency in all areas designated in the statute. Various existing wilderness statutes have included special access provisions for particular needs. For example, several statutes have included provisions addressing possible military needs in and near the designated areas, particularly for low-level military training flights. Similarly, statutes designating wilderness areas along the Mexican border commonly have allowed motorized access for law enforcement and border security.
Then there’s Alaska,
In recognition of the special conditions that exist in Alaska, the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act of 1980 (ANILCA) allows many activities that are otherwise prohibited in wilderness areas outside Alaska. Most notable are motorized access (ex. vehicle, snow machine, bush plane) for traditional uses and subsistence activities (often by Native Alaskans), modification of fish habitat and establishment of fish hatchery programs, construction of recreation cabins and shelters, cutting of trees for house logs and firewood, and commercial salvage of beach logs. Temporary facilities, such as tent platforms and shelters, may also be established for hunting and fishing.
